Saturn Hybrid Sedan Saves Little Fuel; Costs More

[windvale]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

I posted them because he did not specify that they be new cars. I was being a smart ass. Try not to take this too seriously, it is the internet after all.

I hear ya...

But, let's face it. Totyota got the drop on us with the Prius. Period. Yeah, I know, the Volt (i.e. "the Messiah"). But the Volt will be the same size as the Cobalt and cost 15K more. How long will it take to make up that premium ?

I'm pissed at GM for not being more competitive with Toyota when it comes to high-gas mileage. And then GM plays the "PR" game (that we love to pin on Toyota btw...) with the hybrid Tahoes and Malibus. They advertise Hybrid Tahoes on TV, but just go to a Chevy dealer and tell him you want to purchase a hybrid Tahoe - he'll laught at you.

I've got a buddy here in N.C. that owns a Chevy dealership. I asked him about purchasing a hybrid Malibu the other day. He laughed and told me he's never even seen one !

And GM has the balls to say they'll need two more years to get the BAS+ system into cars ! They don't even have the current BAS system in from what I can see. These guys need to get their @ss in gear...

[K-1]

Originally Posted by windvale

Just curious...why is "Interor Volume a piss-poor determination for vehicle class?".

Personally, I care much more about how much room I have inside a car to sit in or put my stuff in - than I do about how long the hood is...but that's just me.

If I take a smart fortwo and raise the roof by 3 feet, would you call that a mid-size car?

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

That is fine if they want to buy it. Their problem. I am still waiting for your answer. If i want to buy a new car. What car will get better mpg then prius. Lol and prius cost about the same as aura so called hybrid. LIke you said if i want to produce less CO2. Prius is the way to go. If i want to save on gas prius is the way to go. So how can you say that aura hybrid is not crap when it can not even beat malibu with 6 speed. That is just embarrassing no matter how you put it.

Funny, I posted about a week ago that I was considering buying a Prius. I don't think I've ever tried to discredit that car. It is a wonderful piece of engineering, an appliance in the best sense. I wish GM had been more on the ball, yes. I just don't think the Aura is that bad of a car to bear all this hostility that you are throwing at it. If someone out there likes a car, than it isn't crap to them and it's rude to sit here an say it is over and over and over again simply because it can't compare directly to another car. It's called overkill. You've made your point. Move on. No need to keep repeating yourself simply to 'hear yourself talk'. Now that you've said you want to know what new car can get mileage better (or at least equal) to the Prius, I'll answer that: none. Never said one could. I was just trying to make a joke when I mentioned the Insight and the Jetta diesel...apparently that went over your head. Oh well.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

If we are comparing new prius we are going to compare it to new car. Not some ten year old car or volt that does not even exist yet. Why is that so hard for you to understand. You can not discredit prius no matte what you try.

You are strictly tying to stir things up. The only reference to the prius was the return on cost until you jumped in making things up. By the way, nowhere in this thread has a year been given to the prius that is being "compared". You are the only one that has brought up the Volt too.

I have not discredited the pruis, you have been discrediting everything but. What is so hard for you to understand?

Go away troll.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by dratnol

What are you talking about? Both of those cars are on the market, the used market. All non current model cars are not crushed every year. How you can even begin to compare an imaginary car to a used car is laughable (and embarrassing on your part).

Man, you're slick. You really put me in my place...

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by windvale

Last time I checked, Diesel was about $1.00 more per gallon than gasoline. There goes the big savings...

Okay, ya'll need to drink some coffee or something. He asked about fuel economy, not how much money it would save. I answered. I'm not going to explain this again. Try reading some of VCDJ's prior posts...he's all over the map, hard to follow and loves, just LOVES to hear himself 'talk'. I was poking fun, he took me serious. 'Nuf said. Let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

Funny, I posted about a week ago that I was considering buying a Prius. I don't think I've ever tried to discredit that car. It is a wonderful piece of engineering, an appliance in the best sense. I wish GM had been more on the ball, yes. I just don't think the Aura is that bad of a car to bear all this hostility that you are throwing at it. If someone out there likes a car, than it isn't crap to them and it's rude to sit here an say it is over and over and over again simply because it can't compare directly to another car. It's called overkill. You've made your point. Move on. No need to keep repeating yourself simply to 'hear yourself talk'. Now that you've said you want to know what new car can get mileage better (or at least equal) to the Prius, I'll answer that: none. Never said one could. I was just trying to make a joke when I mentioned the Insight and the Jetta diesel...apparently that went over your head. Oh well.

LoL we finally agree on something. Aura is not crap. Its a good car. Just So called hybrid version is. But i am glad we agree on something.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by windvale

Man, you're slick. You really put me in my place...

At the ignorant response you first posted, I can't say that I am surprised.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by K-1

If I take a smart fortwo and raise the roof by 3 feet, would you call that a mid-size car?

If I was Kareem Abdul Jabbar ? Absolutely !

But I would submit that having a long hood and long trunk do not a mid-size car make...

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Just admit it. That aura hybrid is crap. Why do you have to further embarrass your self?

Because it gets laughs....and apparently it bothers you. Bonus. Lighten up! I won't try and joke any more with you, jeesh! From now on, it'll be Serious City. >snaps a salute<

[K-1]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

Yes, yes, oh my God yes IT IS! The Prius has the same interior space as the Aura and the Aura is a mid-size car. Cars are classified by interior volume, not external dimensions.

You, and the EPA, are being fooled by the extra (read: functionally useless) egg-shaped head room. Other dimensions are similar to that of the Corolla, which is a compact. See my response to windvale.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

LoL we finally agree on something. Aura is not crap. Its a good car. Just So called hybrid version is. But i am glad we agree on something.

I don't think that he "agrees" with you that the Aura hybrid is "crap".

[windvale]

Originally Posted by dratnol

At the ignorant response you first posted, I can't say that I am surprised.

Dude, you're killing me. I'm going to be in therapy for years.

P.S. You may want to check the grammar on your response above...

[eaton53]

LoL we finally agree on something. Aura is not crap. Its a good car. Just So called hybrid version is. But i am glad we agree on something.

Sorry, but the Prius and Aura hybrids are both no handling slow ass turds. I've driven a VUE with BAS.... meh.
The only hybrid on the market that works properly is the 2-mode. Huge mileage increase and faster to boot.

[K-1]

Originally Posted by windvale

If I was Kareem Abdul Jabbar ? Absolutely !

But I would submit that having a long hood and long trunk do not a mid-size car make...

How about a long wheelbase and long body, rather than a compact one with tall dimensions?