Saturn Hybrid Sedan Saves Little Fuel; Costs More

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by windvale

No offense...but you embarrass yourself with answers like this.

Neither one of these cars are even currently on the market. You might as well just point out imaginary cars that get 1,000 mpg...

hahhah thats a good one.

[tamatt27]

1990 3-cyl Metro 38C/45H Who says GM didn't care about fuel efficient cars?

[K-1]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

how do you figure that prius would take 13 years. IT cost about the same as mid size sedan and prius is mid size car. But it gets much better mpg then any other mid size car. Give credit where credit is due. Just because gm did not produce prius you do not have to say its bad. Find one car in America that will get better MPG then Prius and that you will pay around 23k ? waiting for your answer.

The Prius is not a mid-size car. Interior volume is a piss-poor determination for vehicle class. Just about every dimension is comparable to a compact car. Is the Corolla mid-size? No. So compare it accordingly - to other compact cars with mid-30mpg efficiency.

[Ming]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

The main reason hybrids exist is not to save money on gasoline but to lower CO2 emissions.

As a cheapskate who has considered hybrids in the past to save money, and with co-workers who constantly say "Gas is expensive, I'm going to get a hybrid", I think the "main reason hybrids exist" is up to the individual buyer. Maybe in California, Seattle and a few other places people don't care about saving money (and will spend 6 bucks on a cup of frou-frou coffee or a million dollars on a home that can be had for a quarter of the cost in Texas, new, not 30 years old), and are happy just "being green", but if I were to buy a hybrid or a plug-in of some sort, saving money in the long run would certainly be my main motivator. The lower emissions are just a feel-good bonus.

Personally I think we'd save more money and lower emissions and environmental impact dramatically if we had more vehicles like the old Geo Metro on the market today. 3-cylinder engines, low purchase price, less materials used to build the cars since they're smaller --- could be worth looking in to how Japan has managed to see such a strong Kei car market, even out in the countryside and mountain towns like where my wife comes from where tiny trucks scaled 45 degree twisty hillsides.

Expensive hybrid cars that don't make money sense when gas prices are high are not going to attract people who are afraid of losing their jobs in a recession and looking for affordable alternatives.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by K-1

The Prius is not a mid-size car. Interior volume is a piss-poor determination for vehicle class. Just about every dimension is comparable to a compact car. Is the Corolla mid-size? No. So compare it accordingly - to other compact cars with mid-30mpg efficiency.

In your mind prius can be what ever you want it to be. But it is classified as a mid size car. So you can say what ever you want. You will just be wrong. You can hate prius all you want but you know you wish that gm did not call that car a joke and made them self. Now gm would see their market share increase but no we get that crapy bas system that nobody wants to buy. Just to let you know that prius outsell every gm car, if you look at retail sale. GM has one car that outsells prius that is impala but as you know it. that car is a fleet King.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by K-1

The Prius is not a mid-size car. Interior volume is a piss-poor determination for vehicle class. Just about every dimension is comparable to a compact car. Is the Corolla mid-size? No. So compare it accordingly - to other compact cars with mid-30mpg efficiency.

Just curious...why is "Interor Volume a piss-poor determination for vehicle class?".

Personally, I care much more about how much room I have inside a car to sit in or put my stuff in - than I do about how long the hood is...but that's just me.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I asked right now? not five years ago. Can i buy jetta diesel now or Insight?
No i can not. SO you can not find any car that you can buy now that will get better mpg then prius.

I found several on AutoTrader.com...you never said they had to be brand-new cars, so yes...I can buy them right now.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

I found several on AutoTrader.com...you never said they had to be brand-new cars, so yes...I can buy them right now.

Just admit it. That aura hybrid is crap. Why do you have to further embarrass your self?

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by windvale

No offense...but you embarrass yourself with answers like this.

Neither one of these cars are even currently on the market. You might as well just point out imaginary cars that get 1,000 mpg...

What are you talking about? Both of those cars are on the market, the used market. All non current model cars are not crushed every year. How you can even begin to compare an imaginary car to a used car is laughable (and embarrassing on your part).

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

No matter how you put it. This hybrid is worthless just like that Lexus ls hybrid. Everybody here criticizes that car but here is aura hybrid. Same as lexus ls. You pay more and you get nothing in return. You get slower acceleration. Same as LS. Just admit it its crap. I know you love saturn but this is just stupid.

It isn't worthless, neither is the Lexus LS600h...which I think is what you are refering to. I've never criticized either car. I won't admit it's crap, why should I? Your opinion is that it's crap, mine is that it's a pretty cool-looking car that might save me a few dollars here and there on gasoline and we all now that when saving money that it adds up.

Sure, it isn't as fuel efficient as a Prius. So what? It also isn't as ugly as one, as uninspiring to drive nor is it as complicated. What other way to put it is there besides the fact that hybrids were designed to reduce pollution and not necessarily to save fuel? Toyota didn't set out to design a fuel efficient car with the Prius, they set out to build something that cut down on CO2 emissions, mainly for EPA air-quality mandates. The fuel efficiency was just a by-product.

You have it in for GM, you don't really even belong here. All you do is troll, start arguments, post meaningless opinions in a bad accent and try to pass them off as fact. If someone wants to buy an Aura hybrid, why should it bother you? Are you paying for it? No? Well, whoever buys one obviously feels justified in doing so - for whatever reason - and they shouldn't have to explain themselves to you or anyone else. That's the way it is with people who buy Hummers, that's the way it is for people who buy Prius', that's the way it should be for people who want to buy an Aura hybrid.

NO car makes economic sense if you spin it whatever way you want to to get the outcome that fits your argument. No car. They are ALL a waste of money, resources and time. But damn they're cool and fun! Get a grip, comrade.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by dratnol

What are you talking about? Both of those cars are on the market, the used market. All non current model cars are not crushed every year. How you can even begin to compare an imaginary car to a used car is laughable (and embarrassing on your part).

If we are comparing new prius we are going to compare it to new car. Not some ten year old car or volt that does not even exist yet. Why is that so hard for you to understand. You can not discredit prius no matte what you try.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by windvale

No offense...but you embarrass yourself with answers like this.

Neither one of these cars are even currently on the market. You might as well just point out imaginary cars that get 1,000 mpg...

I posted them because he did not specify that they be new cars. I was being a smart ass. Try not to take this too seriously, it is the internet after all.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by K-1

The Prius is not a mid-size car. Interior volume is a piss-poor determination for vehicle class. Just about every dimension is comparable to a compact car. Is the Corolla mid-size? No. So compare it accordingly - to other compact cars with mid-30mpg efficiency.

Yes, yes, oh my God yes IT IS! The Prius has the same interior space as the Aura and the Aura is a mid-size car. Cars are classified by interior volume, not external dimensions.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

It isn't worthless, neither is the Lexus LS600h...which I think is what you are refering to. I've never criticized either car. I won't admit it's crap, why should I? Your opinion is that it's crap, mine is that it's a pretty cool-looking car that might save me a few dollars here and there on gasoline and we all now that when saving money that it adds up.

Sure, it isn't as fuel efficient as a Prius. So what? It also isn't as ugly as one, as uninspiring to drive nor is it as complicated. What other way to put it is there besides the fact that hybrids were designed to reduce pollution and not necessarily to save fuel? Toyota didn't set out to design a fuel efficient car with the Prius, they set out to build something that cut down on CO2 emissions, mainly for EPA air-quality mandates. The fuel efficiency was just a by-product.

You have it in for GM, you don't really even belong here. All you do is troll, start arguments, post meaningless opinions in a bad accent and try to pass them off as fact. If someone wants to buy an Aura hybrid, why should it bother you? Are you paying for it? No? Well, whoever buys one obviously feels justified in doing so - for whatever reason - and they shouldn't have to explain themselves to you or anyone else. That's the way it is with people who buy Hummers, that's the way it is for people who buy Prius', that's the way it should be for people who want to buy an Aura hybrid.

NO car makes economic sense if you spin it whatever way you want to to get the outcome that fits your argument. No car. They are ALL a waste of money, resources and time. But damn they're cool and fun! Get a grip, comrade.

That is fine if they want to buy it. Their problem. I am still waiting for your answer. If i want to buy a new car. What car will get better mpg then prius. Lol and prius cost about the same as aura so called hybrid. LIke you said if i want to produce less CO2. Prius is the way to go. If i want to save on gas prius is the way to go. So how can you say that aura hybrid is not crap when it can not even beat malibu with 6 speed. That is just embarrassing no matter how you put it.

[dratnol]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Just admit it. That aura hybrid is crap. Why do you have to further embarrass your self?

The only thing that is "crap" in this thread is your post and attitude.

The Aura is not "crap", it is a good car and has won many industry awards saying so. Nobody (including GM) ever said that this car would be the mileage king in its class. Until a few weeks ago it was the highest mileage epsilon so your "point" is pointless. Furthermore, you said in your first post that the Altima hybrid gets 2 mpg better then the Aura hybrid and it makes sense to buy that. Then you said that the Aura hybrid is pointless since it gets 2 mpg better then the non hybrid option.

Mods this nonsense has gone on long enough, I think at least a Level 1 title is in order. What has been contributed to this thread aside from flame baiting, non fact based hyperbole, and phony statistics?