Review: Saturn Relay merely middle-of-the-road

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He Drove, She Drove

Relay merely middle-of-the-road

Saturn's minivan lags in horsepower, safety features; seat system is primitive.
www.detnews.com
By Paul & Anita Lienert

Saturn's first-ever minivan would be significant news -- if it weren't such a dead-ringer for Chevrolet's and Pontiac's "new" minivans, which are basically face-lifted versions of their old minivans.

With a base price of $27,580, including a $715 destination charge, the 2005 Relay 3 that we tested is priced considerably higher than many of its better-designed, better-performing competitors. Just a few options pushed the sticker on our test vehicle to $29,295.

SHE: I taught school for 10 years and the phrase that kept coming to mind as I tested the Saturn Relay was the old euphemism, "social promotion." That's where you push the kid into the next grade level, even though he or she might not be quite ready for it. If I were to encourage consumers to buy the Relay, it would be the automotive equivalent of social promotion because I would be doing it just so that my hometown automaker, General Motors Corp., could keep up with the rest of the world.

HE: But isn't the real issue here whether GM actually is keeping up with the rest of the world? We put a lot of miles on the Relay, driving it under all kinds of conditions, including hauling loads of stuff from our old house to our new one. My impression of the Relay is that it is a very competent minivan -- in a shark-infested sea of overachievers. And that makes the Relay and its sister models at Chevy, Pontiac and Buick no better than middle-of-the-road. That may be OK for some buyers, but it's not going to win GM lots of praise from the media or Wall Street.

SHE: Forget Wall Street. Anybody who's ever clipped a coupon can figure this thing out in about five minutes. A base Honda Odyssey will cost you about $25,710, and will give you superior safety protection for your kids, with standard front and rear head curtain air bags. Saturn gives parents a standard DVD entertainment system, but charges extra for side air bags -- and you can't even get side curtains for middle- and rear-seat passengers.

HE: I didn't experience as visceral a reaction to the Relay as you did, but I still had some serious problems. Rear visibility is a huge issue with this van because the blind spot on the right side is so bad. Also, it's inexcusable that GM has had literally years to bring its minivans up to snuff, and yet the Relay and its siblings still have one of the weakest engines in the segment and are still using a less-efficient four-speed automatic transmission when many others have gone to five-speeds.

SHE: Independence is a big issue with women when it comes to minivans. We don't want to have to ask for help to take a seat out to haul cargo. But unlike the competition, including Chrysler, Honda and Toyota, the seat system in the Saturn is primitive. The third-row seats don't fold into the floor, like they do on the Odyssey and Sienna, and the second-row seats don't fold into the floor like they do on the Dodge and Chrysler minivans. I know, dear, that you struggled trying to remove the seats in the Saturn.

HE: You're absolutely correct. Although I have to admit that once I flipped the third-row seats flat and finally yanked the heavy bucket seats out of the second row, there was plenty of room to haul boxes, lamps and all your other accumulated household goods. You should give Saturn some credit for creating a nicer driving environment, too. The Relay we tested had some lovely touches, including some tasteful light-wood inserts and top-stitched leather. Still, the Saturn interior designers picked a hideous fabric for the seat inserts. It looked like something right out of the early Sixties.

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What did GM expect? That these P.O.S vans would sell so well they would become the leader in the mini van segment. I saw this GM tv thing and Lutz was talking at this auto show while they had the Relay & Terraza up on the stage and he was saying that these "Crossover Sport Vans" are an improvement over the vans they replace and our old vans were rated like the best value or something. That's a bunch of Bull ****************. Those vans got the worst safety rating in their class except for GM's other pair of mini vans the Chevy Astro and GMC Safari. I'm going to laugh so hard when these vans fail on the market, and GM makes this lousy excuse. I can see Lutz now talking to reporters: " Our newest minivans have failed on the market because there is no longer a market for minivans as people are now moving to crossover SUV's." Then after Lutz says that, he's going to be getting nervous as the crowd is scratching there heads because the minivan segment has tons of great sellers i.e Sienna, Odyssey, Caravan, Town and Country. Then reporters will be asking him Mr Lutz the minivan segment is as strong as ever, and Lutz will probably be nervous and be going uh uh uh and after that he'll probably wet his pants and the crowd will see it and laugh, and he'll probably run away in tears, and be an even bigger laughing stock than he already is.