MSN: 2008 Best Overall Value Awards

[Ambalanche]

Another meaningless "best of" list!
I'm glad the 'Vette Convertible won, and GM trucks but that doesn't tell me the media gets it yet. They are so bias it clouds their judgement when figuring cost of ownership, if they even look at that.

GM could have floating cars that run on air with free maintenance that they pay you to drive and they'd still pick imports!

[MrJamesMc]

HERE IS MY LIST

2008 Best Value Award Winners
Under $24,000 – Chevrolet Malibu
Over $24,000 - Chevrolet Corvette
ConvertibleCrossover/SUV Under $28,000 – GMC Acadia
Crossover/SUV Over $28,000 – Cadillac SRX
Truck Under $27,000 - Toyota Tacoma Regular Cab 2WD
Truck Over $27,000 - Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Extended Cab 4WD
Van Under $25,000 – Chrysler Town & Country
Van Over $25,000 - Chevrolet Express 1500

Cars
Subcompact - MINI Cooper
Compact under $17,000 - Honda Civic Sedan
Compact over $17,000 – Saturn Astra
Midsize under $21,000 – Chevrolet Malibu
Midsize over $21,000 – Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid
Large – Pontiac G8
Near Luxury – Buick Lucurne
Luxury – Cadillac CTS DI
Luxury Convertible – BMW 6-series
Convertible – Mustang Convertible
Small Wagon – Chevrolet HHR
Midsize/Large Wagon – Dodge Magnum
Base Sport – Chevrolet Cobalt SS
Sport - Chevrolet Corvette Convertible
Sport Sedan/Wagon under $38,000 – Pontiac G8
Sport Sedan/Wagon over $38,000 – Cadillac STS

SUVs
Compact Utility/Crossover – Saturn Vue Greenline
Intermediate Utility - Toyota 4Runner
Luxury Utility – Cadillac Escalade
Utility – Chevrolet Tahoe

Crossovers
Midsize Crossover – GMC ACADIA
Luxury Crossover – Buick Enclave

Trucks
Compact Pickup 2WD - Toyota Tacoma Cab 2WD
Compact Pickup 4WD - Toyota Tacoma Cab 4WD
Full-Size Pickup 1/2 Ton 2WD – GMC Sierra Regular Cab 2WD
Full-Size Pickup 1/2 Ton 4WD - Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Extended Cab 4WD
Full-Size Pickup 3/4 Ton 2WD - Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Extended Cab 2WD
Full-Size Pickup 3/4 Ton 4WD - Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Extended Cab 4WD
Full-Size Pickup One Ton 2WD - Chevrolet Silverado 3500HD Crew Cab 2WD
Full-Size Pickup One Ton 4WD - Chevrolet Silverado 3500HD Crew Cab 4WD

Vans
Minivan – Chrysler Town&Country
Full-Size Van - Chevrolet Express 1500
Cargo Van - Chevrolet Uplander

I think the links still take you to whatever else was there before, but I like mine better. I wasn't fully biased. Also i didn't look up prics, just used my knowledge. If anyone hates it, don't waste your time complaining about mine please.

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by MrJamesMc

HERE IS MY LIST


SUVs

Intermediate Utility - Toyota 4Runner

See post #13.

[MrJamesMc]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

See post #13.

I am sorry, I have road in a Trail Blazer and it felt cheap. Before I got inside of one i didn't like them. I think the Toyota 4Runner looks good compared to the TrailBlazer. Not by a whole lot, but just a little better.

[MrJamesMc]

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/lista...umentid=463806

that list contradicts what this one says basically.

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by MrJamesMc

I am sorry, I have road in a Trail Blazer and it felt cheap. Before I got inside of one i didn't like them. I think the Toyota 4Runner looks good compared to the TrailBlazer. Not by a whole lot, but just a little better.

Fine. But the "award" is for value, not looks. I think we can agree that a Land Rover Range Rover looks better than a Trailblazer and a 4Runner. That does not make it a better value.

[SAngelo]

Well I see alot of Toyota/Honda bias on this list. The Prius is a good value but it is butt ugly. You would take the current Pilot over the Acadia and Enclave ? That is flat out Honda loving bias. The GM Lamdas drive better, are more comfortable, roomier and have more get up and go than the Pilot and I think get better gas mileage.

My god I am the first one critical of GM vehicles but the new models not the old platforms like the Lamdas, the CTS, Malibu/Aura, G8, the 08 Vue don't even get mentioned, what a joke !!!!

[ericmvest]

Originally Posted by GMusa

www.autos.msn.com

2008 Best Overall Value Awards

SUVs
Utility - Toyota Land Cruiser

The Toyota Land Cruiser maybe a good SUV, but a good value? Only to a spendthrift.

[BrickTamland]

Originally Posted by SAngelo

Well I see alot of Toyota/Honda bias on this list. The Prius is a good value but it is butt ugly. You would take the current Pilot over the Acadia and Enclave ? That is flat out Honda loving bias. The GM Lamdas drive better, are more comfortable, roomier and have more get up and go than the Pilot and I think get better gas mileage.

My god I am the first one critical of GM vehicles but the new models not the old platforms like the Lamdas, the CTS, Malibu/Aura, G8, the 08 Vue don't even get mentioned, what a joke !!!!

There are 3 Hondas on a list of 33 cars. I would hardly call that bias.

This list is measuring the cost of ownership, not other criteria like 0-60 and handling ability. That is why cars like the Escape Hybrid are on the list over other vehicles that are superior in most other aspects - it costs less to own. Fuel efficiency is a great benefit to the cost of ownership, and therefore why many hybrids make the list.

Now, I have called into question Intellichoices methods in the past. I have a few of their magazines I bought for reading on an airplane, and some of their cost of ownership results are very puzzling to me. Such as, like others have pointed out, the Toyota Land Cruiser. It costs $60,000 and guzzles a lot of fuel. I guess high resale values offset that.

[CadiEldo67]

Originally Posted by ponchoman49

Midsize under $21,000 - Toyota Prius

Totally bogus. A Prius is not under 21K it's base price is $21760. Why this slow fat dumpy overpriced piece of crap made the list 3 times along with the Avalon tells me that they hired a bunch of clueless kids to randomly pick these cars from a list. Actually kids in my area would be smarter than this and would tell MSN that the Prius is more of a fashion statement and false economy.

Exactly, who buys a car with absolutely NO options?

[MrJamesMc]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

Fine. But the "award" is for value, not looks. I think we can agree that a Land Rover Range Rover looks better than a Trailblazer and a 4Runner. That does not make it a better value.

Yes I see your point, but Range Rover costs significantly more than a Toyota 4Runner, in that price range I'd go for an Escalade any day. Please note that I didn't really put many Toyota cars on "My List." I adore GM products and would love the Trailblazer to out trump the 4Runner, but even when it was new it didn't tickle my fancy.


Now the stupidest thing on the original list is the Toyota Land Crusier. That is the most overpriced bloated thing I have ever seen. A Tahoe that costs 20,000 dollars less looks 99.9 times more gorgeous in styling, both exterior and interior.