The English opinion of CTS V

[Zbad1]

Originally Posted by Tstag

Looks like a good car, with a sorted interior, but sorry to say it will still struggle. Firstly it's too heavy. Second it's a 6.2 litre V8. Third it's got the wrong badge.

This car is going up against lighter, more fuel efficient European cars. The Europeans have Diesel V8's and V6's. They are lighter and have recognised badges on them.

The biggest competitor to this is Holdens own Monaro. So really it's a GM own goal. The real question is why can't SAAB do something more like this fire breathing dragon, but lighter and more fuel efficient?

I'm not trying to flame here, but I think there are some factual issues here.

First, there are no EPA numbers on the CTS-V yet, so how can you claim that the European cars are more fuel efficient? The M5 only does 11 city 17 hwy. Obviously somebody who is buying this M5 or any other car in this class isn't very concerned with gas mileage.

Then you start to talk about the non V version of the CTS because you're talking about the competition's Diesel V8's and V6's. Here's another fact problem, the CTS IS going to be sold with a 2.9L Diesel in Europe.

Finally, I'm pretty sure that the Monaro isn't even built any more. How can it be the CTS's competition?

Again, I'm not trying to flame, and I'm sure that I'm not 100% in some of my "facts", but I did notice some things here that didn't seem quite right.

[Rocket 88]

What the heck is a Performance Saloon? Bloody Imperialists.

[GMfan1111]

Originally Posted by Rocket 88

What the heck is a Performance Saloon? Bloody Imperialists.

Saloon means sedan. Just like how Boot means trunk, Cupay means Coupe and Bonnet means hood. Just watch a few episodes of top gear and you'll get the hang of it

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by BigThreeForever

Bullenscheisse, as they say in Germany.

Top Gear is a crock, fronted by three comedians, the most prominent of which is the noisome loudmouth, Jeremy Clarkson. He knows diddley-squat about the industry or about engineering. He has made a career out of cracking stupid one-liners whilst driving cars rapidly around an airfield. His opinion counts for jack all. Trust me, I've met him.

If you want the definitive English/UK opinion, try CAR Magazine, widely believed to be the best UK magazine, even though it is past its best in my view.

NEVER confuse Clarkson's bombastic, risible outpourings with prevailing English/British opinion.

Having said all that, I thought Autocar's write up on the CTS-V was pretty objective (Autocar, a weekly magazine, is a pretty good read, actually, and is the world's oldest surviving car journal, founded 1895).

It's about time someone told it as it is. This is an amazing sedan, I am surprised that any of the English like it though.

[uboys]

Originally Posted by GMfan1111

Clarksons reviews maybe rubbish sometimes but he's a pretty good entertainer why do you think Top Gear is so popular in the first place? Personally though I want to see how this car performs on Motorweek. Motorweek has always been a neutral party on almost all of their car reviews and unlike consumer reports or car and driver where there is an obvious bias towards cars from the Orient. Motorweek has never really showed any bias in their reviews. They'll point out flaws and mistakes but overall they are usually pretty positive on their reviews

Because it is a vicarious escape from the political correctness and runaway leftism that has overtaken Britain today.

[CJ Thunder]

A small v 12 hybrid would be oh so smooth. But if I ever buy a car for just efficiency it will be along the lines of an Aptera. Though a GM v12 V series would be super duper.

[stevecmh]

glad they like it.. i am excited to see what they say about after they drive it

[rcracedriver]

Originally Posted by Zbad1

I'm not trying to flame here, but I think there are some factual issues here.

First, there are no EPA numbers on the CTS-V yet, so how can you claim that the European cars are more fuel efficient? The M5 only does 11 city 17 hwy. Obviously somebody who is buying this M5 or any other car in this class isn't very concerned with gas mileage.

Then you start to talk about the non V version of the CTS because you're talking about the competition's Diesel V8's and V6's. Here's another fact problem, the CTS IS going to be sold with a 2.9L Diesel in Europe.

Finally, I'm pretty sure that the Monaro isn't even built any more. How can it be the CTS's competition?

Again, I'm not trying to flame, and I'm sure that I'm not 100% in some of my "facts", but I did notice some things here that didn't seem quite right.

i love it when people speak the truth!

[Rocket 88]

Originally Posted by GMfan1111

Saloon means sedan. Just like how Boot means trunk, Cupay means Coupe and Bonnet means hood. Just watch a few episodes of top gear and you'll get the hang of it

Thanks... I mean Cheers.

[Frankster177]

Originally Posted by uboys

Because it is a vicarious escape from the political correctness and runaway leftism that has overtaken Britain today.

Runaway leftism?
When labour has swung all the way over to the right.

Anyway Clarkson might annoy me at times too.
As he has a thing for disliking Ferraris.
And always loves his supposed English cars.

But a lot of the things he says about American cars is right.
Whats the last good car America made?
Zr1? he gave it a good score.

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by Tstag

Looks like a good car, with a sorted interior, but sorry to say it will still struggle. Firstly it's too heavy. Second it's a 6.2 litre V8. Third it's got the wrong badge.

It is smack dead in the middle in terms of wieght with it's competition which includes the M5, E63 and RS6. All of these engines guzzle just as much gas.

This car is going up against lighter, more fuel efficient European cars. The Europeans have Diesel V8's and V6's. They are lighter and have recognised badges on them.

This car is not going up against the 3/A4/C crowd. It is going after the 5/A6/E crowd. Once again you have no idea what this car is designed to compete with. The New Alpha BTS will aim for the 3/A4/C.

The biggest competitor to this is Holdens own Monaro. So really it's a GM own goal. The real question is why can't SAAB do something more like this fire breathing dragon, but lighter and more fuel efficient?

The biggest competitor's are the M5, E63 and RS6.

Take a hike. Your trolling is not welcome and you're not even accurate.

[baloo]

Originally Posted by schmallz

It is smack dead in the middle in terms of wieght with it's competition which includes the M5, E63 and RS6.

Actually no, the CTS is on the heavy side. It's quite a bit heavier than the RWD cars and not much lighter than the AWD Audi.

That's not a huge issue, though, because the real problem will be the fact that it's a Cadillac. Understatement is a big selling point for these cars in Europe. You get to drive a 500+ horsepower rocketship but your car will not look out of place in the company parking lot. Lamborghini-level power without the Lamborghini stigma. A glitzy American car on the other hand will stick out like a sore thumb.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by baloo

Actually no, the CTS is on the heavy side. It's quite a bit heavier than the RWD cars and not much lighter than the AWD Audi.

That's not a huge issue, though, because the real problem will be the fact that it's a Cadillac. Understatement is a big selling point for these cars in Europe. You get to drive a 500+ horsepower rocketship but your car will not look out of place in the company parking lot. Lamborghini-level power without the Lamborghini stigma. A glitzy American car on the other hand will stick out like a sore thumb.

Glitzy? Have you ever noticed how Glitzy an AMG looks?