CTS a good enough sports sedan

[frindz]

I live in Canada and every time I chitchat about cars (in receptions, bars, restaurant). I say that im a Gm lover and that a I hate toyota...3 seconds later people trowing rocks at me... The real problem in Canada is that everyone was hypnotised by toyota... Everybody thinks that a Tundra get 30MPG... My brother got one and he hardly do 11 MPG on highway...

Here's another one: in Québec (were i live) there is a Magazine Called ''protegez-vous''= ''Protect-yourself'' every year for the last 2 decades they tested every car sold in canada and they pick 1 vehicle in each category...
the camry is the midsize winner since 1991... LOL

2008 top category
-subcompact : honda fit (I agree)
-compact : Toyota Corolla (civic's better)
-Midsize : Toyota Camry (since 1991)
-Fullsize sedan : Lexus ES350 (CTS please...)
-Minivan : Toyota sienna (oh god)
-Compact SUV : Toyota Rav4
-Midsize SUV : Toyota 4Runner (What! GM make SUV's far better, even Ford!)
-Full size SUV : Nissan Armada
-Crossover : Toyota Matrix (F**k)


So... most of the canadian's Cars reviewers are being paid by Toyota...(I dont have sources but im sure)
But AJAC's are very neutral and this is what we need...

sorry if english quality is not very high; french speaking

[GMfan1111]

good enough? this is one of the most revolutionary Cadillacs ever created and all this dope can say is "good enough" Give me a break granted the art and science theme has been around since 03 but its nowhere near outdated. also if you are going to write a review about any car (Gm Chrysler Toyota or whatever) you have to be fair and balanced, have the correct information, and not be subjective in your review and this moron failed on all of those grounds. also why compare the CTS to a 5 series instead of a 3 series they should have compared the STS to the 5 series and the CTS to the three series that would have been a more appropriate comparo setup then the comparo he did IMHO

[FBODYRULES]

Originally Posted by Ambalanche

OK, Having owned one of these and been over it with a fine tooth comb, while the writer is maybe, possibly, technically right about the Art and Science styling being around for a while, since '03 or so, There is nothing even remotely "dated" about the sheetmetal. Look at the picture above of the crystal red metallic (my color), yes, it has the sharp lines, which I love!, but it also has smooth flowing shapes as well. The wheels look like they are stretching the fenders and are goint to pop out. How this guy lists this as "dated" I don't know. I guess he thinks Audi is dated as it's had it's jelly-bean styling for years, or Mercedes styling is dated because they have used the radiator grill forever. This is just one more example of some anti-american reviewer trying to fit in with the sheep. Personally, I loved mine, and got many, many double-takes when driving by people. The only reason I got rid of it is because I had the opportunity to get a 'Vette, something I've wanted all my life. This guy is way off base!

I agree totally, just cos the "art and science" style has been around since 03 doesnt make the car at all old or outdated looking and
the "art and sci" concept can keep on changing and growing etc with time as it gets perfected.

[THE_SMURF]

"Canadian Auto Reviewer, Good enough for the GREAT WHITE NORTH, but just
unable to write a truly accurate auto review


I quote
"The week after, I hopped into a BMW 535xi sedan – about the same size as the CTS4 and able to put it to shame as easily as an Ovechkin outclasses a Kovalchuk."

I believe this person is full of them self and pompous. His decisions, and observations about the CTS were made before the car arrived.
Most mainstream reviewers call the CTS a worthy adversary to the "5". I have driven both and even though the BMW feels a bit "lighter" up front when turning in and in transition, but it in no way"shames" the Caddy.
His observations about it's harshness, is also off the mark.
It is firmer than Cadillacs of the past , but not as bone jarring as he attempts to imply. Nor is the BMW as supple over the same type of roads.
The report is not only inaccurate, but poorly written. The hockey
allusions are tiresome.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by frindz

I live in Canada and every time I chitchat about cars (in receptions, bars, restaurant). I say that im a Gm lover and that a I hate toyota...3 seconds later people trowing rocks at me... The real problem in Canada is that everyone was hypnotised by toyota... Everybody thinks that a Tundra get 30MPG... My brother got one and he hardly do 11 MPG on highway...

Here's another one: in Québec (were i live) there is a Magazine Called ''protegez-vous''= ''Protect-yourself'' every year for the last 2 decades they tested every car sold in canada and they pick 1 vehicle in each category...
the camry is the midsize winner since 1991... LOL

2008 top category
-subcompact : honda fit (I agree)
-compact : Toyota Corolla (civic's better)
-Midsize : Toyota Camry (since 1991)
-Fullsize sedan : Lexus ES350 (CTS please...)
-Minivan : Toyota sienna (oh god)
-Compact SUV : Toyota Rav4
-Midsize SUV : Toyota 4Runner (What! GM make SUV's far better, even Ford!)
-Full size SUV : Nissan Armada
-Crossover : Toyota Matrix (F**k)


So... most of the canadian's Cars reviewers are being paid by Toyota...(I dont have sources but im sure)
But AJAC's are very neutral and this is what we need...

sorry if english quality is not very high; french speaking

I agree, and while your english could use some practice, you're doing a lot better than a lot of people who are actually all english

The article was just completely rediculous. I absolutely love hockey, I'm a semi pro goaltender, but my God, it's a car review, I counted 4 hockey analogies...and not very good ones either, they just make me cringe. Hockey talk doesn't belong in a car test.


Everything he complains about is opinion based with no way to measure it with actual numbers. The last CTS I sat in seemed to be up to par with the Bimmers, not that I drove either, but the feel and look was there.

And the outdated style thing... I'd like to know what he was smoking when he came up with that one. It's been out a year, the style has been out since 03, but this car looks nothing like the last one. Absolutely retarded.

[johnd89]

hahaha, what a joke this article.
all hell broke lose when some dumba$$ does a job he sucks at.
among all crap that was the most hilarious:
"It could be considerably better if its torque figure of 273 were a bit higher and kicked in sooner. Most performance engines match horsepower and lb.-ft. of torque but the CTS torque figure is about 90 percent of its horsepower and comes in at a very high 5200 rpm (that’s pretty much unusable at those times you need it most, without gearing down a couple gears)."
he probably did not noticed that the 535 he's comparing with is a twin turbo engine: apples to oranges
and btw, he's comparing a fully loaded cts with a base bmw. somehow I had no problem adding 15k worth of options on the bmw.

well, I guess I won't see those 10 minutes wasted reading his "review" again...

frozen canadian brain...

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by frindz

I live in Canada and every time I chitchat about cars (in receptions, bars, restaurant). I say that im a Gm lover and that a I hate toyota...3 seconds later people trowing rocks at me... The real problem in Canada is that everyone was hypnotised by toyota... Everybody thinks that a Tundra get 30MPG... My brother got one and he hardly do 11 MPG on highway...

It's like that everywhere. The minute I speak up and say that I'm a GM supporter and hate toyota, people start bashing GM and trying to give me reasons as to why toyota is so much better. I'll say something to the extent of, "2008 tundra, tailgate cracks, camshaft fails" and they'll give me some pathetic comeback, usually about the prius and fuel efficiency, which just makes me laugh even harder at their stupidity.

[FenwickHockey65]

In relation to the article, the author's a total idiot and is chock full of BS.
But the toyota ad off to the side may explain the author's stance...

[jwrebholz]

They need to stop letting sports writers do car writeups.

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by pfflyer

Keep in mind he drives a Honda Civic to work everyday.

That figures.

I don't get how the CTS styling is dated? Compared to what? BMW? MB? To me their style really never changed. If he is going to poke fun at Cadillac they he should poke fun at the European makes also.

[camaro_freak]

Originally Posted by redTT

how long has Caddy had that art and science garbage? Its old styling guys.

What are you talking about! The Deville, I mean DTS is top of the line art and science design... ahahahaah

[Aprime]

I'd just like to point out that: 1. they have GM ads too. and 2. the only ethical thing AJAC members do is not letting themselves be influenced by ad revenue, and anyway, if a company pulls its ads out of a show or something along those lines here, it's typically HORRIBLE press for them.

tl;dr: Canada != US

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by frindz

I live in Canada and every time I chitchat about cars (in receptions, bars, restaurant). I say that im a Gm lover and that a I hate toyota...3 seconds later people trowing rocks at me... The real problem in Canada is that everyone was hypnotised by toyota... Everybody thinks that a Tundra get 30MPG... My brother got one and he hardly do 11 MPG on highway...

Not in this area, but then again we had billboards that read "BUY DOMESTIC...OR ELSE!" (Stupid ****ing CAW! ). You should move here, there's lots of room, everybody is moving out Lots of french folks around here as well. (though I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not sometimes )

[wmhat]

I didn't understand his out dated comments either. And what suspension did his test car have? On a cold winter day with less than adequate roads the sport or especially performance suspension may have been a bit much for him.

Rides: 08 CTS; 07 Equinox