Consumer Reports reviews small SUVs: Liberty, Sorento, Outlander, Rogue, Forester

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Hee hee hee. You'll find out soon enough.

By the way, this video's interesting. It's the actual test from CR...they did so many stupid things, and the comments about the Equinox/VUE are horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

That Was way to obvious, but I still fell for it.

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I wrote a reply last night in IFCAR's CR thread countering CR's claim that the Saturn Vue gets bad fuel mileage and I come back and the thread is gone.
Anybody know what happened to it?

[genjy]

Whao.

Ron Popeil is slashing prices on the Showtime Rotisserie.

[WishIhadatruck]

Originally Posted by Vladimir1978

Not at all anymore. It's actually quite handsome.

Opinion. At first I wasn't sure I liked the new one any more than the last generation but it is growing on me a little. I'd say it is an improvement since I could at least say it is "not ugly" but I certainly won't be calling it handsome. Nice vehicle anyway.

I really don't see how anyone can disagree that the Vue with the 3.6L gets rotten gas mileage for its class. It does no better than the Outlook which is much larger and more capable with the same powertrain. Makes me nervous how it will do with the 2-mode system.

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Originally Posted by ifcar

You continue to say the Pilot gets among the worst fuel economy of midsize SUVs, while it is among the best even by EPA testing.

Furthermore, the EPA numbers you're providing here don't correlate to the cars CR tested.

2009 Subaru Forester X:
20/26, 22 (CR mileage: 22)

2009 Subaru Forester XT (turbo):
19/24, 21 (CR mileage: 20)

2008 Honda CR-V AWD:
20/26, 22 (CR mileage: 21)

2008 Mitsubishi Outlander 4-cylinder AWD:
20/25, 22 (CR mileage: 22)

2008 Mitsubishi Outlander V6 AWD:
17/24, 20 (CR mileage: 19)

2008 Toyota RAV4 4-cylinder AWD:
20/25, 22 (CR mileage: 23)

2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 AWD:
19/26, 21 (CR mileage: 22)

2008 Saturn VUE XR 3.6 AWD:
16/22, 18 (CR mileage: 17)


In each case, the CR number is within 1 mpg of the EPA, and by either standard, the Vue's is easily the lowest.

Gentlemen, can you see how sneaky Consumer Reports and their cronies are? I posted the numbers for the I4 Vue that shows its mileage is well withing the range of its competitors. Then IFCAR posts the mileage of the Vue V6. Why the sneakiness? I mean, if CR is going to say the Vue gets horrible mileage compared to the Honda CR-V, then say, "It's not the I4 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V; it's the V6 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V." Then not tell us that Honda doesn't even offer a V6 Compact SUV, we know we're dealing with sneakiness and deception.

IFCAR: Tell us. How does the 4-cylinder Saturn Vue stack up against it's 4-cylinder competition, MPG-wise? Is it more fuel efficient? About the same? Worse?

If we compare the V6 Vue against the V6 Pilot, we see:
Vue AWD: 16/22/18 and 16/24/19 FWD
Pilot AWD: 15/20/17 and 16/22/18 FWD

Please note: The Pilot weighs less than 200 pounds more than the Vue (4,500 versus 4,300) yet gets far, far worse mileage.
Please note: Every mileage test of Toyota products, CR ranks the product 1 MPH higher than the EPA does.

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Originally Posted by ifcar
You continue to say the Pilot gets among the worst fuel economy of midsize SUVs, while it is among the best even by EPA testing.

SUV Brand:

AWD City/Highway/Combined. FWD City/Highway/Combined

__________________________________________________ ____________
Pilot:

15/20/17. 16/22/18

Kia Sorrento:

15/22/17. 15/22/17

Saturn Outlook:

16/24/19. 16/22/18

Ford Flex:

16/22/18. 17/24/19

Toyota Highlander:

17/23/19. 18/24/20

Hyundai Tucson:

18/24/20 17/24/19

__________________________________________________ ____________

Consumer Reports lies again! When they stoop so low, how low can they go?

[void.crusader]

Toyota RAV4 Lim V6: 22 mpg
Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 19 mpg
Saturn Vue XR 3.6: 17 mpg

That's a real-world mpg, not EPA junk.

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Originally Posted by void.crusader

Toyota RAV4 Lim V6: 22 mpg
Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 19 mpg
Saturn Vue XR 3.6: 17 mpg

That's a real-world mpg, not EPA junk.

An utter, complete and total waste of bandwidth.

[ifcar]

Originally Posted by PMC the 1st

Gentlemen, can you see how sneaky Consumer Reports and their cronies are? I posted the numbers for the I4 Vue that shows its mileage is well withing the range of its competitors. Then IFCAR posts the mileage of the Vue V6. Why the sneakiness? I mean, if CR is going to say the Vue gets horrible mileage compared to the Honda CR-V, then say, "It's not the I4 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V; it's the V6 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V." Then not tell us that Honda doesn't even offer a V6 Compact SUV, we know we're dealing with sneakiness and deception.

IFCAR: Tell us. How does the 4-cylinder Saturn Vue stack up against it's 4-cylinder competition, MPG-wise? Is it more fuel efficient? About the same? Worse?

If we compare the V6 Vue against the V6 Pilot, we see:
Vue AWD: 16/22/18 and 16/24/19 FWD
Pilot AWD: 15/20/17 and 16/22/18 FWD

Please note: The Pilot weighs less than 200 pounds more than the Vue (4,500 versus 4,300) yet gets far, far worse mileage.
Please note: Every mileage test of Toyota products, CR ranks the product 1 MPH higher than the EPA does.

I posted the cars that CR tested. CR's 4-cylinder Vue (GreenLine) is still in testing, so it was the 3.6-liter version whose ranking you took issue with. Do you not disagree, then, that the Vue V6's gas mileage is low?

Comparing the compact Vue to the midsize Pilot makes one of them look bad, but that isn't the Pilot.

[TriShield]

Originally Posted by Butz

A Hyundai and a KIA higher ranked than a Saturn, Chevrolet, Ford and Jeep!
How did we come to this?

GM is a broke company that mainly produces junk. Hyundai is not.

That's how.

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Originally Posted by ifcar

Do you not disagree, then, that the Vue V6's gas mileage is low?

Never mind the fact that you conveniently ignored my original question:

"IFCAR: Tell us. How does the 4-cylinder Saturn Vue stack up against it's 4-cylinder competition, MPG-wise? Is it more fuel efficient? About the same? Worse?"

And also my other question

SUV Brand:
Pilot:
15/20/17. 16/22/18
Kia Sorrento:
15/22/17. 15/22/17
Saturn Outlook:
16/24/19. 16/22/18
Ford Flex:
16/22/18. 17/24/19
Toyota Highlander:
17/23/19. 18/24/20
Hyundai Tucson:
18/24/20 17/24/19
IFCAR, you said this: "The Honda Pilot is among the most fuel efficient even by EPA testing."
Why am I showing that the Pilot has the worst fuel mileage in it's class as shown above? In both FWD and AWD variants? How can you claim the Pilot has the best fuel mileage when the EPA says it has the worst?

I'm hoping you don't shy away from answering these two questions of mine that you've been ignoring now for over two weeks.
And to answer your question. The Saturn Vue 3.6L V6 is only as economical as engine type and vehicle weight allow. And since the Saturn Vue shares the same engine with the upscale Buick Enclave, I'd say that it's fuel mileage for a compact SUV isn't very good. It's alot better than a competing Honda product, but not as good as the Highlander and certainly not as good as the AWD Toyota RAV-4's V6.

The frauds at Consumer Reports tell us that they usually test the most popular model in a vehicles' lineup. If this is the case, why didn't they compare the I4 Saturn against its competitors? Why the V6? After all, it's the Vue I4 that's by far the most popular model.
I propose CR compared the V6 Saturn Vue against competing import I4's because CR had to make sure that the Saturn came in next-to-last place. They couldn't have done it woth the I4 Vue since its fuel mileage is so good. Instead, they had to compare the V6 Vue's fuel mileage against competing I4's and Toyota's V6 so that they'll have some excuse to make sure the Vue comes in next-to-last place.
Therefore, I reassert what I said earlier:

Gentlemen, can you see how sneaky Consumer Reports and their cronies are? I posted the numbers for the I4 Vue that shows its mileage is well withing the range of its competitors. Then IFCAR posts the mileage of the Vue V6. Why the sneakiness? I mean, if CR is going to say the Vue gets horrible mileage compared to the Honda CR-V, then say, "It's not the I4 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V; it's the V6 Vue that gets horrible mileage compared to the CR-V." Then not tell us that Honda doesn't even offer a V6 Compact SUV, we know we're dealing with sneakiness and deception.

Proof that your'e working for CR in some capacity: Anyone with half a brain knows by now that Consumer Reports is a fraud that tries to advertise for Toyota (and to a lesser extent, Honda) if they have followed my threads and posts. Since you have been doing exactly that -- reading all my threads and posts -- and since you still claim that CR isn't biased or engaging in fraud in any way, the only conclusion we can draw is that you work for CR in some capacity.
Any person with half a brain would have agreed with the facts by now.

[ifcar]

Consumer Reports is testing a 4-cylinder Vue. They just haven't finished yet, because their test car (the hybrid) went on sale after the V6 version. But they typically test AWD versions of SUVs when possible, and there is no AWD 4-cylinder Vue. I've never heard anything about it being the most popular model either; rather, it's the XE 3.5-liter, which is less refined, less powerful, and less fuel-efficient than the 3.6-liter CR tested.

Comparing the Vue to the Pilot makes no sense, as they are clearly in different market classes. The Honda comparable to the Vue, as I'm sure you know, is the CR-V, which gets higher EPA figures than the standard 4-cylinder Vue.

Also, comparing the Pilot to a handful of compact and midsize SUVs to say that its gas mileage is among the lowest of midsize SUVs makes no sense. Why not list every midsize (not compact) SUV highest to lowest and see where the Pilot falls. It's near the top of its low-standards class in that area.

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Originally Posted by ifcar

Consumer Reports is testing a 4-cylinder Vue. They just haven't finished yet, because their test car (the hybrid) went on sale after the V6 version. But they typically test AWD versions of SUVs when possible, and there is no AWD 4-cylinder Vue. I've never heard anything about it being the most popular model either; rather, it's the XE 3.5-liter, which is less refined, less powerful, and less fuel-efficient than the 3.6-liter CR tested.

Comparing the Vue to the Pilot makes no sense, as they are clearly in different market classes. The Honda comparable to the Vue, as I'm sure you know, is the CR-V, which gets higher EPA figures than the standard 4-cylinder Vue.

Also, comparing the Pilot to a handful of compact and midsize SUVs to say that its gas mileage is among the lowest of midsize SUVs makes no sense. Why not list every midsize (not compact) SUV highest to lowest and see where the Pilot falls. It's near the top of its low-standards class in that area.

Dude. I went out of my way to try and find a mid-sized SUV that is less fuel-efficient than the Honda Pilot. I could not find one. And now that you've decided to change the game when it suits you ("Consumer Reports doesn't test the most popular vehicle when it comes to SUV's; they test AWD models first and foremost"), it would be even harder for me to do so.
To find something that sucks down as much gas as an AWD Honda Pilot, I'd have to enter GM's Large Truck Zone. Heck. I think the GM Silvarado even gets better mileage than the Honda Pilot AWD!

So please. Try and find mid-sized SUV's that would place the Honda Pilot AWD in middle-ground. I have tried and failed.

[ifcar]

Here's the EPA mileage for every midsize mainstream SUV (if I've left any out that are actually midsize SUVs, feel free to add them), equipped with a 6-cylinder engine and 4WD or AWD, listed in mileage order.

Toyota Highlander Hybrid: 27/25, 26
Nissan Murano: 18/23, 20
Toyota Highlander: 17/23, 19
Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel: 17/22, 19

Honda Pilot, Buick Enclave/GMC Acadia/Saturn Outlook, Ford Flex: 16/22, 18

Ford Edge: 15/22, 18
Ford Taurus X: 15/22, 18
Subaru Tribeca: 16/21, 18
Chrysler Pacifica: 14/22, 17
Toyota 4Runner: 16/20, 17
Mitsubishi Endeavor: 15/19, 17
Jeep Grand Cherokee: 15/19, 17
Nissan Pathfinder: 14/20, 16
Chevrolet TrailBlazer/GMC Envoy: 14/20, 16
Jeep Commander: 14/19, 16
Ford Explorer: 13/19, 15

The Pilot seems to be in the higher, rather than lower part of the list.

[mbukukanyau]

Consumer reports need to figure out if they are royal to the United States or to their foreign masters. This is simply stupid. There comes a time when your country is more important.

after all, what is the best option for the American consumer? When you look at the whole picture? money leaving United States going to Korea or Japan is not a good thing for Americans