C&D Preliminary CTS-V comparison test

[pistolpete51688]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re__1/(page)/1

[EldoFan]

Wow......I thought the CTS was a pseudo-porker......looks like the S6 is just as bad off....

You can see from the M3 & M5 descriptions though how those C&D guys still love to cream over BMW though.....(the more things change, the more they stay the same)

I do love their suggestion though on how to keep the STS-V from being overshadowed in the showroom...

How might the STS-V be able to get out from beneath the CTS-V’s shadow? We have an idea, and it involves the ZR1’s 620-hp LS9 V-8.

Might that be a workable idea for a "DTZ-V" (DTZ=DTS/STS replacement) ??

Best line I've read out of C&D in a long time (regarding the 300C SRT-8):

the SRT8 keeps its 425-hp, 6.1-liter Hemi V-8 on the down low, well hidden by the car’s stately and paternal styling, which next to most sports sedans, is about as sporty as a grandfather clock.

[GMusa]

the STS needs to be totally reworked before GM tries to make a new STS-V

But the CTS-V is going to be awesome.. the M5 isnt going to have a chance!

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by GMusa

the STS needs to be totally reworked before GM tries to make a new STS-V

I'm betting the STS/DTS will be merged into one (DTZ) before a new V-series model ever sees the light of day

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by EldoFan

I'm betting the STS/DTS will be merged into one (DTZ) before a new V-series model ever sees the light of day

Wonder if it will keep the current engine or move over to a different one

[TuffG929]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

Wonder if it will keep the current engine or move over to a different one

They'll probably move on. The Northstar's days are numbered.

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by TuffG929

They'll probably move on. The Northstar's days are numbered.

I know, and since Ultra has moved in product limbo, and the V12 for the 7 series competitior is in doubt

[EldoFan]

If the supercharged 4.4L wasn't such a PITA to produce, I'd say keep it.....for an engine lineup that consists of the 3.6L LLT (302HP/272lb-ft), the aforementioned 4.4L Supercharged Northstar and then the ZR1's LS9 V8 for a V-series model

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by EldoFan

If the supercharged 4.4L wasn't such a PITA to produce, I'd say keep it.....for an engine lineup that consists of the 3.6L LLT (302HP/272lb-ft), the aforementioned 4.4L Supercharged Northstar and then the ZR1's LS9 V8 for a V-series model

Have to have more power then the CTS-V, but I guess they could do the V12 I mentioned with twin turbos

[750li]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

Have to have more power then the CTS-V, but I guess they could do the V12 I mentioned with twin turbos

or they can do something similar to mercedes by offering a V8 and a V12, the V8 would compete with the S 63 and the V12 with the S 65

[mastrdrver]

Why don't they make a TT 4.0L Northstar for a STS-V?

[CobaltSScrazy]

What is frustrating is that this mags compare the V to the M5/E63 yet the non-V car is compared to 3/C/etc.

The CTS handles and drives great in non-V form, so why wouldn't it be that good or much better in V form?

IS-F looks like a good value for performance also, yet its a smaller size. Its frustrating that Cadillac cannot sell many cars over 50k and if it does its a heavy discount, low sales, or like CTS-V clearly above competition yet priced below it! It bugged me that a N/A V10 is more 'advanced' in their eyes than a more powerful in every way S/C V8...just more koolaid for Stuttgart and company?

CobaltSS

[bone]

I think the STS-V is the best looking of all the models with the Lexus and BMW at the bottom. I, if I could afford it, buy the CTS-V. To me it's a four-door Z-06.