NYIAS 08: 2010 Pontiac G8 Sport Truck

[LeSabre]

Originally Posted by mygraphix

There is still time to bail out on this thing! A wagon makes some sense, this make no sense at all....last one out of Pontiac...turn out the lights!

I agree & it doesn't make any sense at all. Logic, common sense & moniker equity would/do dictate that this vehicle should be a Chevy, Period!
It would do much better sales-wise as a Chevy than as a Pontiac.
It would serve as a niche vehicle in Chevy's line up. Not all vehicles in Chevy's line up have to be bread & butter models!!
If BPG were to get one, it should be GMC that gets it, not Pontiac.
Its a no-brainer of which division SHOULD get this model!!

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by LeSabre

I agree & it doesn't make any sense at all. Logic, common sense & moniker equity would/do dictate that this vehicle should be a Chevy, Period!
It would do much better sales-wise as a Chevy than as a Pontiac.
It would serve as a niche vehicle in Chevy's line up. Not all vehicles in Chevy's line up have to be bread & butter models!!
If BPG were to get one, it should be GMC that gets it, not Pontiac.
Its a no-brainer of which division SHOULD get this model!!

Not when you figure cost.

To make it a Pontiac costs practically nothing. G8 Front End + Holden Ute = G8 Ute.

The Lumina front end wouldn't work as well I think.

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by LeSabre

I agree & it doesn't make any sense at all. Logic, common sense & moniker equity would/do dictate that this vehicle should be a Chevy, Period!
It would do much better sales-wise as a Chevy than as a Pontiac.
It would serve as a niche vehicle in Chevy's line up. Not all vehicles in Chevy's line up have to be bread & butter models!!
If BPG were to get one, it should be GMC that gets it, not Pontiac.
Its a no-brainer of which division SHOULD get this model!!

The crash testing was already all done for the G8...GM saved Millions by doing it as a Pontiac than any other division. iF the Holden was a new RWD impala, then yes, a El Camino would have made sense.

[paul8488]

The no-brainer is the Pontiac version, sorry guys. As others have said the front clip and badges and stuff exist, as does the marketing. It's much easier to add the ST to the G8 marketing plan than to create a new one for Chevrolet or GMC, for example. Time will tell if it's a success or not, but I see why and agree with why this is a Pontiac. It was that or nothing, and I prefer it as a Pontiac than not at all.

[LeSabre]

I rather not have it come here to NA at all in the 1st place unless its a Chevy(where it belongs) El Camino w/the American Chevy look to it....meaning revised sheet metal all around. The El Camino has been gone from NA for over 20yrs now. I could live w/out another one. Esp. If it were to be a Pontiac.

[Orbit Orange]

I rather not have it come here to NA at all in the 1st place unless its a Chevy(where it belongs) El Camino w/the American Chevy look to it....meaning revised sheet metal all around. The El Camino has been gone from NA for over 20yrs now. I could live w/out another one. Esp. If it were to be a Pontiac.

Fine, then don't buy it then. But don't crap all over it and wish it wasn't here when there are others as myself that DO like it as a Pontiac and others that don't even care what badge is on it and can see it for what is intended to be. Why put all this time into it is you aren't buying it. Leave it to us that appreciate it.

[phantomssv]

Originally Posted by LeSabre

I rather not have it come here to NA at all in the 1st place unless its a Chevy(where it belongs) El Camino w/the American Chevy look to it....meaning revised sheet metal all around. The El Camino has been gone from NA for over 20yrs now. I could live w/out another one. Esp. If it were to be a Pontiac.

This is a reply that i used on another thread (NYIAS 08: 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP!) ... about the same of Pontiac \ Holden products by the same person....

For any car company these days to be able to compete on a level playing field platforms and vechiles need to be shared... do we not all remember why GM got itself into a position of debt (letting each brand have similar products and all developing them on different and or only slightly modified architectures)
In Australia we have the Commodore (your pontiac G8 and G8GT) and the Ute and Wagon off the same commdore base (your G8 ST) its awesome for enconomies of scale. But thats when the Australian products end... we have a European Astra, Captiva and Korean Barinas, Captiva, Viva, Epica and soon to be a US Colorado (replacing our Isusu Rodeo). As you can see we wouldnt have much a range in the showrooms if it wasnt for Daewoo, Vauxhall , and up until the current VE which is a Holden\GM arch we used a modified Opel arch for 28 odd years.
Look at the VW group, they even share equipment between the Lamborghini and Audi groups and maybe even the VW brand itself.
Toyota is doing well around the world because of this.

I have had 5 Holden Commodores in my life (VB, VL, VX, VY and now VE) and I totally support GM and really love some of the US brands in the same way (Pontiac, Chev), so i want them to do well as a whole.... but realistically arch\platform sharing is the way of the future.

And just on a final note.... Holden isnt replacing a great vehicle with a crap one... its the other way around. As for the G8 which is a great car and is RWD, it happens to be replacing an inferior Pontiac Grand Prix which is FWD (I mean who puts a V8 into a FWD really).
And for the G8 ST... its a great Ute.... just ask any Australian.....it may not be everyone's cup of tea load size wise but it aint a pit of crap either for hailing non commercial size loads. Alot of Australians that own a ute don't use it for hauling ... they use it as a great light RWD V8 that there friends don't call them up to pick up from the pub as they know they will not have enough seats for everyone.

Just my 2 cents....

PS : Dont like them dont but one... but dont complain about having a new product that is great to drive...

[Desert Rat]

the people who feel a need to post over and over how they don't want it and it shouldn't be built IMHO are no better then a troll bashing one brand vs that brand.

If it's not your cup of tea, stick in the subforum that suits you. You don't see me posting in Cadillac or buick subforums about vehicles that I don't like, the vibes not my cup of tea so I just don't even open threads about it in the pontiac subforum, I don't post how they shouldn't be built and they should never exist....

I've posted this on other forums and feel the need to post it again here....

[mygraphix]

Call us trolls if you like, but I for one would like to see GM continue on it' supward climb, this in my opinion is a mistake with a capital M. I don't care if it's a Pontiac, a GMC, a Chevy or a freakin' Aveo, I honestly believe that this will be costly to GM's reputation. The wrong vehicle at the arong time. That is why I will continue to post wherever I can that tey should stop this NOW!

[Orbit Orange]

Call us trolls if you like, but I for one would like to see GM continue on it' supward climb, this in my opinion is a mistake with a capital M. I don't care if it's a Pontiac, a GMC, a Chevy or a freakin' Aveo, I honestly believe that this will be costly to GM's reputation. The wrong vehicle at the arong time. That is why I will continue to post wherever I can that tey should stop this NOW!

Jeesh, grow up some. It's coming, there's nothing you can do to stop it. The official press releases are out, they are having a naming contest, they are GIVING ONE WAY IN AN OFFICIAL SWEEPSTAKES. It's here, get over yourself and stop crapping on it. You are going beyond troll and starting to be a jerk about it. If you don't like it fine, we get it. But your griping and moaning isn't changing our minds and it's not changing the fact that it is coming in the fall/winter of 09 as a 2010 model. If you can't get over it, go find some other model you don't like and crap all over it, I'm sure those fans will appreciate your negativity.

[TKR]

Originally Posted by mygraphix

Call us trolls if you like, but I for one would like to see GM continue on it' supward climb, this in my opinion is a mistake with a capital M. I don't care if it's a Pontiac, a GMC, a Chevy or a freakin' Aveo, I honestly believe that this will be costly to GM's reputation. The wrong vehicle at the arong time. That is why I will continue to post wherever I can that tey should stop this NOW!

If it fails please come back and give us all the 'told you so' you want. However, if it sells to expectation, I expect an apology for posting rubbish all over this thread.
Thanks.

[chinamonty]

Sometimes I just wonder. Some people want the same things that sent GM in to a mess when what GM needs to do id different things and that appears to be what they are doing. The same old same old will give the same old result. Try something new -look how bentley reinvented themselves -they didn't do anything too radical but it paid off. Making a Ute a Pontiac will at least have people thinking differently about Pontiac and maybe Chevrolet and more importantly it may get some notice from people who buy other brands just because it isnt a Chevy

[RedVee8]

Originally Posted by chinamonty

Sometimes I just wonder. Some people want the same things that sent GM in to a mess when what GM needs to do id different things and that appears to be what they are doing. The same old same old will give the same old result. Try something new -look how bentley reinvented themselves -they didn't do anything too radical but it paid off. Making a Ute a Pontiac will at least have people thinking differently about Pontiac and maybe Chevrolet and more importantly it may get some notice from people who buy other brands just because it isnt a Chevy

I agree, but I've tried to give up on tieing my guts up in knots about it.
I used to be completely amazed about how narrow focused everyone seems to be on what a 'real' Pontiac, Chevy or Buick (etc etc) is. But I've reconciled myself to thinking thats how it is, and it is that way because they've had 5 brands to find space for where in Australia Holden, and only Holden, is it.
I also think how pissed I'd be if something like the previous Malibu was foisted upon us to replace the Commodore.

[SCCA1995]

Originally Posted by TKR

If it fails please come back and give us all the 'told you so' you want. However, if it sells to expectation, I expect an apology for posting rubbish all over this thread.
Thanks.

+1 on that statement.

[mygraphix]

Originally Posted by TKR

If it fails please come back and give us all the 'told you so' you want. However, if it sells to expectation, I expect an apology for posting rubbish all over this thread.
Thanks.

Tell you what, I'll appoligize right now, for having an opinion on this vehicle! Since I'm not big on I told you so's. Actually it's probably the biggest thing since the 1964 GTO, WOW - Way Cool - Keep 'em coming! Sorry, Sorry, Sorry!