NAIAS 08: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

[Evo69]

Jeez why did Cadillac had to use that lame chicken wire mesh? It makes the stock grille look superior to a V series car which shouldnt happen.

Otherwise WOW!! Man 550HP!! Excellent interior aesthetics! Great vehicle dynamics! The best performance Cadillac sedan in GM history! Nice work GM very nice work.

[red_rider]

Originally Posted by Gm786

Very nice!

You gotta love the engine.

Where? All I see is plastic

[red_rider]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Competitive with what?
Please check the HP ratings again. SL65 is 604HP. CL65 is 604HP.
It's already rumored that Jaguar is working on a new high output V8 that will be "500+ HP."

M6 might be 507HP now... but what will it be 2-3 years from now?
M6 is a supercharger away from 600HP.

And we don't even know what the final HP numbers will be for LF-A.

EDIT: Oh and by the way, CTS-V will not compete with C63 or M3. It will compete with M5 and E63 and RS6 (In Europe).



I didn't say it was "inadequate."
I said it needs to be OHC.
Infer what you want.

1: so why would you want a high powered performance car to have XOHC if you didn't believe its current design (OHV) is inadequate?

2: I'm pretty sure 600 hp won't be too difficult for GM if the need arises to compete with MB and BMW. A few part upgrades and tunes and its in ZR-1 numbers.

3: I still fail to see the advantages of any XOHC engine that fits in the same space as ls#, weighs the same, has the same c.g., makes the same hp/torque, and gets the same mpg, while costing the same. NVH? I honestly don't buy it. Comparing my mom's 06 monte ss (the only ls# powered car I have experience with) to all other XOHC cars I've ridden in/driven, I notice absolutely no difference in Noise/Vibration/Harshness. The only thing i notice is the subdued growl of the v8, which I suppose you muffle more if you really wanted.

4: And considering that most engines are just covered in plastic anyway (which sucks anyway), the only real way to show people your engine is XOHC is by the badging.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by FoMoCo Fan

Have you looked at Lexus demo's lately? Maybe they're just trying to impress the folks at their retirement home, I dunno. Lexus is tomorrow's Cadillac when it comes to relying on an aged customer base, and while there are exceptions, those aren't usually the people trying to climb the social ladder, not like 3 and 5 series buyers at least.

I have to agree, no one is impressed by an IS, people are impressed be a 3-Series.

[61BelAir]

I could definitely see how a CTS-V could boost my Ego seeing that the car would cost less than a comparable Mercedes/BMW/Jaguar and still blow their doors off. yeah.....I think that would put a smile on my face!

[63GrandSport001]

With blue tooth coming to the CTS there are two more things that GM needs to do to the CTS before I would call it perfect.

better manual gear box and a 360-400BHP turbo 3.6L sport package.

[FenwickHockey65]

WOW. I want one. So bad.
Now if only I could afford one...

[Elk]

Originally Posted by asrapid

Lets say that next gen. V series comes in ..what? 5 years from now? It will probably come after the next.gen LS engines come (gen V).. Why wouldn't GM put that LS engine (with all DI, vvt, maybe even 3 valve heads),if that will be the name of the engine, in next gen. cts V series.?

You’re assuming there will be a next gen LS. I expect GM will just keep doing updates on the current LS. While putting all there new engine money into I4s and V6s.

Unless 100% ethanol becomes common I expect the V8 engine will be slowly killed off over the next 10 years.

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by Mikejesmike

I've seen an M5 report of it getting to 60 in 4.1. I'm still guessing 4 flat considering it's hp per lb is similar to a 450 horse Viper GTS which could do it in 4 flat and a 12.3 1/4. There are other variables too like it's acceleration through the rev range based on it's torque curve and you know with 550 ft lbs and GM trying to spread 90% of it out through out the range there's a lot of hp in all rpms, relative to say the 383 ft lb peak M5. Let's not forget finally numbers could be 575 or 600.

Automatic M5 is 0-60 in 4.5.
Manual M5 is 4.8.

Go look them up.

The best test of the 2005 GT Mustang was 4.9, but the average is 5.1.

Probably similar situation with the test you read.

E63 AMG is the fastest sedan on the market right now with it's 4.3 0-60 and 507hp.

[aldw]

CTS-V is still better served with a DOHC V-8, regardless of the naysayers.

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by Elk

You’re assuming there will be a next gen LS. I expect GM will just keep doing updates on the current LS. While putting all there new engine money into I4s and V6s.

Unless 100% ethanol becomes common I expect the V8 engine will be slowly killed off over the next 10 years.

V-8s, V-10s, V-12s, and V-16s even are not going to go anywhere................

35MPG fleet average based on CAFE numbers which equates to about 26.5MPG average EPA numbers.

GM will just have to either A produce better small cars that people will want to buy or B make their bigger vehicles more fuel efficient or C both. GMs cars as of last year were already at 30MPG CAFE average so another 5MPG by 2020 (in 12 years) shouldn't be too hard esp. with the volt going into production.

[jasaero]

Originally Posted by aldw

CTS-V is still better served with a DOHC V-8, regardless of the naysayers.

Tell GM, or it's competition for that matter, how to design a DOHC V-8 with a power to weight ratio similar to this LSA that will still have a packaging that will fit in cars this size and not cost half as much to build as the eventual retail price of this car and I will agree. Some of the AMG powerplants cost MB near half what this car will probably cost at retail!! And even those engines are out gunned by this one. This one is probably just as good on NVH and smoothness in general to boot!!

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Elk

You’re assuming there will be a next gen LS. I expect GM will just keep doing updates on the current LS. While putting all there new engine money into I4s and V6s.

Unless 100% ethanol becomes common I expect the V8 engine will be slowly killed off over the next 10 years.

Actually, I'd expect V8's to get more fuel efficent, this may mean smaller displacement and turbo/supercharging.

The LS3 is pretty damn good for a V8 in MPG, and it is tuned for power.

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Those seats are amazing, and the interior looks awesome.

[Mikejesmike]

Originally Posted by schmallz

Automatic M5 is 0-60 in 4.5.
Manual M5 is 4.8.

Go look them up.

The best test of the 2005 GT Mustang was 4.9, but the average is 5.1.

Probably similar situation with the test you read.

E63 AMG is the fastest sedan on the market right now with it's 4.3 0-60 and 507hp.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3173