Hyundai Genesis > 300C, GS460, E550

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

Say whatever you like. The "facts" are, the Hyundai Genesis is stealing sales from Lexus, BMW and Infiniti... And this is only the beginning.

If this revue is any indication and this revue is representative of what will follow then without a doubt this car is a game changer that brings an awful lot to the table.

In the market place, it will do 'good' - maybe even great - maybe even superlative.

It just maybe one of those largely unexpected winning combination's that for some doesn't 'seem' to make sense yet in the market does...... for these tryin' times - 'deep' discounted or not.

Assuming some decent crash test performances and the like - its impressive.

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by GMC-70

That's the first thing I thought. Looks like Hyundai really did their copycat homework here

I dont care how good the car is (and yes in technical terms it appears to be very good) but if they can't even think of one design aspect that's not a lift-off of some other make then really what have they accomplished??

There are piracy laws for software and Hyundai should be chared with such in this case.

We said all the same things about Lexus years ago - and look where they are now. The only people who car about it being a copycat are enthusiast who wouldn't buy it anyway. What have they accomplished? Read...

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

If this revue is any indication and this revue is representative of what will follow then without a doubt this car is a game changer that brings an awful lot to the table.

In the market place, it will do 'good' - maybe even great - maybe even superlative.

It just maybe one of those largely unexpected winning combination's that for some doesn't 'seem' to make sense yet in the market does...... for these tryin' times - 'deep' discounted or not.

Assuming some decent crash test performances and the like - its impressive.

Out of all of this, I hope for GM to open its eyes and realize there's no time to waste playing games. If Hyundai can bring such a great full-size luxury car to the table, Cadillac should respond (I can't believe it has to "respond") with something much greater. They COULD if GM had the money. So I hope for Chapter 11 and major changes in the next couple of years... I can dream..

[AMERICA 123]

This actually seems to me to be something that Acura or Lexus could've done even more easily.

Given how the market works , those two in the middle and low end are going to feel it more than Cadillac - in fact I kind'a wonder if Hyundai didn't just preempt what they have coming.

Clearly the frontal styling indicates an in your face aim at Toyota - Lexus.

Some of that is gonna' 'help' Caddy, Infiniti and the Euros.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe last month was the first full month available - they moved approx 645 - 649 ?

We shall see.

[Ach]

Originally Posted by Michael_S

What is so special about the G8 GT? It's barely quicker than a Genesis and slower than a 300C SRT-8. ( I'm kidding. But 5.5 seconds and 14 seconds isn't bad at all. That beats the best-in-midsize-class Camry V6 by 0.6 seconds, and the Genesis is much bigger inside too. Until the G8 GT came out, GM had no RWD sedan below the CTS-V that could do better! )

This is Hyundai we're talking about, remember? Did you ever think they'd put a car against the 300C, E550, and GS460 and get second fastest acceleration, best horsepower per liter, best fuel economy, largest cabin, and best braking 60 mph to 0?

Solid feel, nice interior, quiet ride, leather, automatic climate control, automatic wipers, power rear sunshade, automatic HID lights, fog lights, power sunroof, 17 speaker sound system, nav, rear back up camera...

If you still think the Genesis is mediocre, ask yourself this: would you rather own a Genesis V8, an Acura TL, a Lexus ES, a Lexus IS, a Cadillac CTS, a Buick Lucerne, or a Mercedes C350?

If you even had to think about the answer, it's painfully obvious how far Hyundai has come.

Don't get me wrong, I think this car is a huge accomplishment- I just don't find anything "unreal" about the accel numbers.

I wouldn't consider buying any of the cars you listed- if I had 40K and absolutely had to buy a brand new car, I would be in a BMW 335i 6M sedan. But you are right- I would take a V8 Genesis over Lexus ES, C350 and Lucerne for sure, the others I would have to consider. That's saying something for a first-time luxury effort.

The styling continues to be my main problem with this car. Beyond that I'm impressed.

Car and Driver has gotten the V6 Camry to 60 in 5.8 sec, BTW.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ru_wrx_feature

[Ach]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

This actually seems to me to be something that Acura or Lexus could've done even more easily.

That raises an interesting point re: Acura- so far they have not been able to do this (a RWD luxury sedan) at all and it has hurt them. The presence of the Genesis certainly won't be helping those woeful Acura RL sales numbers any. Intriguing to see Hyundai leapfrog Honda in this regard.

[Sal Collaziano]

For the record, I'm equally as impressed with a 0-60 of 5.8 for a Camry.. I just have to imagine those numbers aren't easily attainable for the average driver. I "think" the v8 Genesis owners will have an easier time getting the Genesis in the 5 second range than Camry owners. If I'm wrong, than that just makes the Camry all that much more impressive...

The Genesis is selling in small numbers right now, as mentioned by America 123. The reason being - there just aren't enough Genesis sedans available at dealers. They'll become fully available September 1st - when the advertising campaign begins.. Many dealerships don't have a Genesis yet - and most only have 1...

[Michael_S]

Sal,

You also forgot to mention that the Genesis V6 is only on sale now. If I remember right, the V8 is a few months away.

Originally Posted by Ach

That raises an interesting point re: Acura- so far they have not been able to do this (a RWD luxury sedan) at all and it has hurt them. The presence of the Genesis certainly won't be helping those woeful Acura RL sales numbers any. Intriguing to see Hyundai leapfrog Honda in this regard.

Supposedly, the Acura RL is getting a 420 horsepower V8 with the next major redesign. That makes it more interesting, for sure.

[EldoFan]

Can't wait till Lincoln shoehorns that TT EcoBoost V6 between the flanks of the MKS......that baby will be a party crasher for sure

Aesthetically I prefer the GS over the Genesis as that's just about as close as you can get to a fastback in the traditional sense.

The interior would put the Chrysler to shame, give the E fits now and then, but I'm not quite sure whether it gives the GS reason to worry.....

And the power? Dear god....when and how did they get the technical knowhow to pump out engines like the Tau?? Thought 4 bangers and sixes were their stock in trade...

If only GM hadn't signed Cadillac's death warrant, I'd be a little more hopeful for the hometown boys, but like I said......there's always the Twin Turbo MKS

[Sal Collaziano]

That's a good point. The Tao V8 isn't available yet...

The new RL is also supposed to be RWD and bigger...

When Lincoln gets that TT Ecoboost, Hyundai will probably have their 400+ horsepower V8 ready. Maybe even turbo'd or supercharged...

Hyundai manufactures more technically advanced products than V8 engines...

[ptviperz]

Originally Posted by Ach

if I had 40K and absolutely had to buy a brand new car, I would be in a BMW 335i 6M sedan

Is that a joke? 40K might get you 328, you can't touch a 335 for that.

G35S is a good buy at 40K

[ptviperz]

Originally Posted by Michael_S

Supposedly, the Acura RL is getting a 420 horsepower V8 with the next major redesign. That makes it more interesting, for sure.

I didn't think that Honda was ever going to make a V8....especially in today's market

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

That's a good point. The Tao V8 isn't available yet...

The new RL is also supposed to be RWD and bigger...

When Lincoln gets that TT Ecoboost, Hyundai will probably have their 400+ horsepower V8 ready. Maybe even turbo'd or supercharged...

Hyundai manufactures more technically advanced products than V8 engines...

I'd love to see what Honda could slip under the hood of the RL.....given some time I'd venture to say they could create a six to rival Nissan's VQ.......from what we've seen of the rest of the car, what's under the hood could be the RL's saving grace.

I wonder about that 400+ HP engine of Hyundai's though.....whether it'll vault the Genesis into the big leagues with M-B and BMW.....

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Ach

That raises an interesting point re: Acura- so far they have not been able to do this (a RWD luxury sedan) at all and it has hurt them. The presence of the Genesis certainly won't be helping those woeful Acura RL sales numbers any. Intriguing to see Hyundai leapfrog Honda in this regard.

Exactly.

[blue3231]

It'll be interesting to see how well this car does. I think it'll be hampered by the Hyundai name though. Maybe they should've started a new brand called Genesis (as I believe they did elsewhere). They could have this sedan, the Azera as a front-drive luxury car [ES350], the Veracruz as the CUV [RX350], and that new rear-drive coupe [G37 coupe]. Throw in an SUV based on the Borrego and that's a pretty complete line-up.