Which Ford has a glass cockpit? I don't know nor have I looked.
Tesla certainly has taken the glass cockpit to another level. I believe Mercedes' screens are HD (same with BMW).
Not sure Americans have a discernible advantage, but they certainly do have some high profile cars with them in place.
I have to say that the door panels look wonderful.
The steering wheel/ IP are kinda awful. I've no doubt that the wood grain on the wheel and IP are genuine and of the highest quality, but I think those trees were felled in vain. The paneling on the IP looks like an injection molding of a kind used on American cars in the 70's and 80's.
That’s the most innovative design MB could come up with? Not diggin' it at all. The old school - new school look doesn't work in this case. The layout of the LCD screens on top of the wood just doesn’t look right. The shapes and flow of the interior looks uncomfortable to the eye and there’s no cohesiveness. I much prefer the current interior to this one.
I don’t see anything special about it. In fact, I see it as step back.
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0 , and that with a Mercedes benz with 662 horses aganist a Chevrolet under a budget $20,000.00 chassis.
So yes, Cadillac can easily out engineer Mercedes. ATS is proof also, its won every comparison test aganist C Class.
Last edited by mchicha; 01-29-2013 at 03:39 PM.
Time on the race circle...really..you think this is measurement in a top luxury cars or? You think S AMG has V12 TT to be fast at the track or something like that?? You think buyers of car from that class are looking for a car that can achieve better times at the race circle?
Oh yes... and Mercedes C63 amg Black series doesn't have 662 HP... it has 517Hp..and that (517 HP) is not all the power Mercedes can get out of the V8.
It seems people think that taking on Mercedes S class will be piece of cake for Cadillac..well can 't wait to see it. When was the last time Cadillac (or any brand from GM) compete in that class?
Last edited by asrapid1; 01-29-2013 at 04:09 PM.
V12 or not, and those are very low numbers for a 6.3 liter direct injected motor. Add direct injection to a high revving 6.2 liter GM motor and it will easily get more hp and more torques.
this is a car that tips the price above $100,000.00 after options and got beat by a pony car, a Chevrolet Pony Car.
When Mercedes can pull off something like the amazingly technologically advanced ELR call me. V12 is nothing, Cadillac was making V16's in the early parts of the last century.
Last edited by mchicha; 01-29-2013 at 04:12 PM.
It seems you don't get concept of luxury cars..so if Camaro beats Rolls Royce on track does it mean it is a better car??
You see Mercedes already has high rev 6.2 l v8 engine with 622 hp from SLS black series (that is without forced induction and 8000 redline). GM will not get even close to that number with their 6.2 l v8 direct injection. Not in production car. Unless they use forced induction.And where is that high rev 6.2 l DI from GM..will it come in future? I see LT 1 (which is not high rev and has 450 +Hp) and rumored LT4 (which has supercharger) as a future engine. Do you know any rumors about high rev 6.2 DI with big HP coming in future from GM?
oh yeah...6.2 l v8 from Mercedes isn't direct injected (m156 and M159)..it has port injection..and is being replaced with turbocharged engines in future..
Last edited by asrapid1; 01-29-2013 at 04:22 PM.
Cadillac image is waaaaaay behind Mecedes image..and not just Mercedes...Again ..we are talking about top luxury class. Do you think Cadillac will beat Mercedes in top luxury class so easy? Do you really think Cadillac will do anything it takes to beat S class, BMW 7 etc in this game?
Last edited by asrapid1; 01-29-2013 at 04:30 PM.
SLS AMG 622 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque, That is less torque than the 8 year old corvette LS7. You see there is a difference between GM and Mercedes Engineering philosophies. GM lowers its HP so that it can maintain a more flat torque curve.
That is why for an old motor like the LS7, its 505 HP 500 pounds feet or torque or the old Escalade Motor 403 HP 400 pound feet of torque.
Like I maintain, Daimler simply does not have the resources to out engineer GM. Volt, Camaro, ELR, ATS are proof.And yes, right now Cadillac does not have an S Class competitor, but that does not mean Mercedes makes a better Luxury car. It Just means Cadillac is not playing in that Market.
Just like Mercedes has nothing to compete with the ELR.
Last edited by mchicha; 01-29-2013 at 04:38 PM.
There is many things that defines luxury. And yes type of leather, interior quality, type of wood, looks of wood, stiches in interior, attention to details, etc are just one little part of this ..why do you think Rolls Royce are considere to be top luxury car and Buick enclave not? Why do you think people are actually willing to pay so much money for cars like Rolls Royce , Mercedes S class and on this very own forum are complaining when people say Cadillac should raise their prices?
LS7 is not so old engine..and is an excellent engine for cars like Corvette (or some other sports car). But if you think brutal power is all that takes to beat top luxury car (like S class) or time on nurburgring or any other race track. Than yes Cadillac might beat top luxurie class cars..but i don't think this is all it takes (not even close) to beat S class or any other car from this luxurie class.
Daimler doesn't have resources to out engineer GM..i wouldn't agree on that. I do think that GM has knowledge and technology to built car better than S class... i just don't believe they will do it.
Last edited by asrapid1; 01-29-2013 at 05:01 PM.
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