Four-door Converj? Dropped side windows?

[AMcA]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

It would be fantastic if Caddy could launch both the Volt and the Converj sedan at the same time. It would trump the Lexus Prius very easily, as long as it has the other equipment to match it. Lexus does give the HS a performance feel...as much as you could do to a Prius.
I hope its true.
You know what also is Delta sized? The BMW 3 series.....

Wouldn't that be fabulous, wouldn't it totally take the world by storm if the Converj popped out totally unexpected?

Not gonna happen. GM, in its quest to remake itself, has been so busy showing its wares before the on-sale date that I doubt they can break the habit. Especially since it worked so nicely with the Camaro.

[rsbaker]

Originally Posted by throwback

While a four door will have a wider audience, the 2 door Converj looks like nothing else on the road. I hope they build the 2 door.

My thoughts exactly! They have to have the 4 door to get volume up but I do hope they decide to do a coupe as well...it was the very essence of cool!

[-World Class-]

First off, great job Monaro for figuring all this out! I sure wrote that off as the XTS. haha

But...I'm on the fence. I think a Converj 4-door would look awesome, but my mind keeps saying "VOLT REBADGE, VOLT REBADGE". A low-slung, 2-door coupe clearly wouldn't show its similarities to the Chevy...but a 4-door sedan kinda does. To me anyways.

[A.J.]

Originally Posted by -World Class-

But...I'm on the fence. I think a Converj 4-door would look awesome, but my mind keeps saying "VOLT REBADGE, VOLT REBADGE". A low-slung, 2-door coupe clearly wouldn't show its similarities to the Chevy...but a 4-door sedan kinda does. To me anyways.

In this case, form has to follow function - the Lexus HS isn't offered as a coupe, and the production LF-Ch wouldn't be either. If Lexus begins developing coupe versions of those two cars, by all means develop a 2-door Converj, but until then keep it four doors. It's so much more practical.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by -World Class-

First off, great job Monaro for figuring all this out! I sure wrote that off as the XTS. haha

But...I'm on the fence. I think a Converj 4-door would look awesome, but my mind keeps saying "VOLT REBADGE, VOLT REBADGE". A low-slung, 2-door coupe clearly wouldn't show its similarities to the Chevy...but a 4-door sedan kinda does. To me anyways.

Not necessarily, especially if a coupe variant is offered as well. A rebadge would be a Volt with a Cadillac grille and badge slapped on.

[scvuhs52]

I still think it is the XTS. If you watch the video starting at 23 secs, you will see an engineer walking along the side of the car. Judging by the old logic that 1 step = 1 yard, you should be able to measure the car. I estimate that the car is around 5.5 steps (yards) long.

5.5 yards * 3 feet per yard * 12 inches per foot = 198 inches



for comparison:
Buick LaCrosse = 196.9 inches long
Cadillac CTS = 191.6 inches long

(By my logic, the wheel arches measure 36 inches (1 yard). Subtract about 7 inches from each side of the wheel for the tire and clearance... it should put the wheels at around 22 inches)

[ghughes]

"the XTS was much closer in execution to the Sixteen concept " -if they shorten the nose too much on the xts bec it no longer has the v-16, the car will look only OK. That was its main beauty attribute

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by rsbaker

My thoughts exactly! They have to have the 4 door to get volume up but I do hope they decide to do a coupe as well...it was the very essence of cool!

I could not agree more...here's hoping that the "new" GM does not make a habit of dropping balls....build the Converj GM and soon, and with NO watering down!

[zmanjr]

how about they make it all wheel drive with a motor at each wheel with only a small 1.0l engine to charge each motor at the wheels....

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by zmanjr

how about they make it all wheel drive with a motor at each wheel with only a small 1.0l engine to charge each motor at the wheels....

I hope the next-gen Voltec has in-wheel motors, as did the amazing Hy-Wire "skateboard" cars....add to that the best batteries/supercapacitors available then, with various options for the range extender....ICE that can run on gasoline, biobutanol or ethanol, or hydrogen, or a small diesel running on biodiesel or diesel, or a fuel cell. GM could leave their competitors in the dust! I can imagine rooftop solar panels on garages to recharge cars and/or battery packs. Exciting times indeed!

[member12]

....I'd hope that the Cadillac version is as close to the Converj concept as possible, including the sweet two door body.

Besides, a 4 door model would have the same proportions as the Volt, which is unbecoming of a Cadillac.

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by member12

....I'd hope that the Cadillac version is as close to the Converj concept as possible, including the sweet two door body.

Besides, a 4 door model would have the same proportions as the Volt, which is unbecoming of a Cadillac.

I'm with you....to me, the Converj is one of THE coolest looking cars EVER....I'd love to see it on the road uncomprimised, with the XTS even more brazen and beautiful. I feel that Cadillac NEEDS to do this to regain their soul after decades of aimless drifting. They need to LEAD again!

[-World Class-]

Originally Posted by A.J.

In this case, form has to follow function - the Lexus HS isn't offered as a coupe, and the production LF-Ch wouldn't be either. If Lexus begins developing coupe versions of those two cars, by all means develop a 2-door Converj, but until then keep it four doors. It's so much more practical.

I guess you're right; form needs to follow function. I just hope that the two cars will look different enough to keep people from saying that the Cadillac is just a spruced up, redone Volt. And of course I also hope that there's a coupe version. Just for the halo effect. Or maybe that isn't this car's purpose if it's supposed to compete with the Lexus HS...hmmm....

[MonaroSS]

Originally Posted by scvuhs52

I still think it is the XTS. If you watch the video starting at 23 secs, you will see an engineer walking along the side of the car. Judging by the old logic that 1 step = 1 yard, you should be able to measure the car. I estimate that the car is around 5.5 steps (yards) long.

5.5 yards * 3 feet per yard * 12 inches per foot = 198 inches



for comparison:
Buick LaCrosse = 196.9 inches long
Cadillac CTS = 191.6 inches long

(By my logic, the wheel arches measure 36 inches (1 yard). Subtract about 7 inches from each side of the wheel for the tire and clearance... it should put the wheels at around 22 inches)

Interesting but a bit off.

Below I have overlaid the guy's steps and then repeated them for the full length of the car. Instead of your 5.5 steps I get 6.5 steps, which should make the car even bigger at 234 inches long by your method.

But there are flaws to your method. Firstly a step is measured from heel to heel or toe to toe not from heel to toe as you keep recounting the same foot on successive steps. Next compare the steps to the guys height. He is exactly 2.5 times as tall as his step, so if his steps were 36 inches then he is 7 ft 6 inches tall.

We have no idea how tall he is but if he were 5 ft 9 inches then his step is 27.6 inches long and 6.5 of them adds up to 179.4 inches for the length of the car. I put it's length by my method at 178.5 inches, which is pretty spot on, if he is 5 ft 9 inches. How tall he is is anybody's guess but 5 ft 8-9 inches sounds about right to me.

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

Interesting but a bit off.

Below I have overlaid the guy's steps and then repeated them for the full length of the car. Instead of your 5.5 steps I get 6.5 steps, which should make the car even bigger at 234 inches long by your method.

But there are flaws to your method. Firstly a step is measured from heel to heel or toe to toe not from heel to toe as you keep recounting the same foot on successive steps. Next compare the steps to the guys height. He is exactly 2.5 times as tall as his step, so if his steps were 36 inches then he is 7 ft 6 inches tall.

We have no idea how tall he is but if he were 5 ft 9 inches then his step is 27.6 inches long and 6.5 of them adds up to 179.4 inches for the length of the car. I put it's length by my method at 178.5 inches, which is pretty spot on, if he is 5 ft 9 inches. How tall he is is anybody's guess but 5 ft 8-9 inches sounds about right to me.

Interesting, thanks.


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