Four-door Converj? Dropped side windows? - Page 2

Carguy · 09-13-2009, 10:06 AM

That C pillar looks far to ACURA-ESQ to me. Besides that its OK I guess.

johnstarnes · 09-13-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KAD

Good post. This car really looks great. Everyone thought it was the XTS, but I'm beginning to think otherwise.

Same here...the suspense is fun.

FenwickHockey65 · 09-13-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by johnstarnes

Same here...the suspense is fun.

And maddening at times...

PAULSTS1 · 09-13-2009, 10:18 AM

The four door design is good looking, I would probably want the two door though. The Converj is a great design and should be produced before it becomes passe.

goblue · 09-13-2009, 10:25 AM

OR - are the wheels 18in and this really is the XTS? What would the wheelbase be with 18in and assume for a moment this is closer to production? Would it make sense for the XTS? Because if it doesn't - then you can say with more certainty that you have the Converj or ATS...

EDIT: Apparently I can't do simple math this AM - the above doesn't make sense as posters below pointed out.

If GM has any brains at all they will make the ATS available with VOLTEC. All Cadillac vehicles should move towards that - and it should be standard equipment on the flagship.

CUtiger08 · 09-13-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by goblue

OR - are the wheels 18in and this really is the XTS? What would the wheelbase be with 18in and assume for a moment this is closer to production? Would it make sense for the XTS? Because if it doesn't - then you can say with more certainty that you have the Converj or ATS...

If GM has any brains at all they will make the ATS available with VOLTEC. All Cadillac vehicles should move towards that - and it should be standard equipment on the flagship.

Um, if the wheels are smaller than the car would also be smaller based on MonaroSS's method: 4.75 wheels at 18 inches each would be about an 85 inch wheelbase and a 144 inch length. In order to hit 200 inches in total length (a minimum for a proper DTS replacement) it would need to have ~25 inch wheels at ~8 wheels worth of length.

I do agree on making VOLTEC and/or some other hybrid system as optional on all Cadillacs ASAP. And as I've said previously, a VOLTEC AWD XTS would go a long way toward making me, and I suspect many others, forgive them using Epsilon instead of a proper RWD platform.

MonaroSS · 09-13-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by goblue

OR - are the wheels 18in and this really is the XTS? What would the wheelbase be with 18in and assume for a moment this is closer to production? Would it make sense for the XTS? Because if it doesn't - then you can say with more certainty that you have the Converj or ATS...

If GM has any brains at all they will make the ATS available with VOLTEC. All Cadillac vehicles should move towards that - and it should be standard equipment on the flagship.

You've mistakenly gone in the wrong direction. 18's would make this car tiny.

Wheelbase as about 4.75 wheels = 85 inches
Overall length is 7.9 wheels = 142 inches
Height is about 2.6 wheels = 47 inches

To have a wheelbase of say 120 inches the wheels would have to be 25 inches.

Edit: Darn too slow.

PistonsFan · 09-13-2009, 11:12 AM

I'm still convinced that it is a Cadillac... the passenger side window that reaches over the front wheel well is very similar in shape to that seen in the Converj. Definitely A&S. And after adjusting for the wide-lens distortion, it looks more like ATS or Converj 4-door.

goblue · 09-13-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MonaroSS

You've mistakenly gone in the wrong direction. 18's would make this car tiny.

Wheelbase as about 4.75 wheels = 85 inches
Overall length is 7.9 wheels = 142 inches
Height is about 2.6 wheels = 47 inches

To have a wheelbase of say 120 inches the wheels would have to be 25 inches.

Edit: Darn too slow.

Whoops...My mistake.

However, 25 in wheels aren't that uncommon on large show cars. The sixteen concept wore 24s...

I guess while I hope this is the ATS/Converj - which unequivocally should have a 4 door option - I remain unconvinced this isn't the XTS.

Dr. Show-Me · 09-13-2009, 11:17 AM

The idea of a "V" option is intriguing. Think in terms of the Volt with fwd and an electric motor. Now add 2 smaller electric motors for the rear axle. This gives awd, much more power, and computer integration of the motors, or even the option of rwd for selected situations. Instead of 8 seconds 0-60, think 5.5 seconds, quiet as a mouse, the mouse that roars! The V with more power, The AlphaElectric Starship can take the jump to WarpSpeed

jdlover7 · 09-13-2009, 11:29 AM

i think they have a winner as long as they offer BOTH coupe and four door

zmanjr · 09-13-2009, 11:44 AM

how about a limo version and a soccer mom edition. The limo could be streched 12' and the soccer mom edition would have six doors and a hatchback.... thus three rows of seating and a two doors for each row.... taxi cabs here we come. and also a family queen truckster editon would be cool..... i convert all my cars to look like the family queen truckster

**BigAls87Z28** · 09-13-2009, 12:07 PM

It would be fantastic if Caddy could launch both the Volt and the Converj sedan at the same time. It would trump the Lexus Prius very easily, as long as it has the other equipment to match it. Lexus does give the HS a performance feel...as much as you could do to a Prius.
I hope its true.
You know what also is Delta sized? The BMW 3 series.....

AMcA · 09-13-2009, 12:29 PM

Converj pretty much as to be a sedan. There's just not that much of a market for 2-door cars.

The case for a 2 door Converj is that these green-mobiles are style statements anyway, so why not go for a full-fledged style statement? But I think that misreads the green market. Greens also demand practicality.

Maybe a coupe as a follow-up . . . .

Rick_VT · 09-13-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MonaroSS

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/gm-m...re-products/#2

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/10/g...eveals-future/

Thanks to PistonsFan for putting together an image of a design model from the new GM ad (see links). But the ad was shot with a wide lens that stretched everything, as can be seen by the ovoid wheels, so I shrank it all back to make the wheels round again and show us the true proportions.

I'm going to estimate the wheels are 22inch in size. That sounds about right for a styling studio where they like large wheels. I don't think they would be larger.

So...

I count the wheelbase as about 4.75 wheels = 105 inches
Overall length is 7.9 wheels = 174 inches
Height is about 2.6 wheels = 58 inches

Chevy Cruze is:

Wheelbase = 105.7 inches
Length = 178.5 inches
Height = 58.2 inches

So this car is Delta sized.

So what could GM be putting on Delta with this sleek aero body? Well just maybe it's Cadillac's future version of Volt i.e. a 4-door Converj....

On the other hand it could just be the next Cruze.....

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You could always just ask Bob

09-13-2009, 10:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
Carguy 3.6 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Jacksonville Fl. Posts: 1,061	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? That C pillar looks far to ACURA-ESQ to me. Besides that its OK I guess.

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PAULSTS1 6.0 Liter L76 V8 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Belmont Hgts., CA Drives: 98 Cadillac STS 09 Avalanche/CLS (Bus) Posts: 2,419	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? The four door design is good looking, I would probably want the two door though. The Converj is a great design and should be produced before it becomes passe. __________________ Anticipating Movie: Anything in Blu-Ray --my new Favorites Star Trek Movie 2009 and Quantum of Solace" Last edited by PAULSTS1 : 09-13-2009 at 11:16 AM.

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goblue 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,749	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? OR - are the wheels 18in and this really is the XTS? What would the wheelbase be with 18in and assume for a moment this is closer to production? Would it make sense for the XTS? Because if it doesn't - then you can say with more certainty that you have the Converj or ATS... EDIT: Apparently I can't do simple math this AM - the above doesn't make sense as posters below pointed out. If GM has any brains at all they will make the ATS available with VOLTEC. All Cadillac vehicles should move towards that - and it should be standard equipment on the flagship. __________________ VOLTEC is the future of everything automotive. A plug in Prius is not the same as a VOLT. Hydrogen is dead. 8 speed transmissions are irrelevant. VOLT will not have zipties Last edited by goblue : 09-13-2009 at 11:15 AM.

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PistonsFan 2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6 Join Date: Mar 2008 Drives: 08 CTS Posts: 966	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? I'm still convinced that it is a Cadillac... the passenger side window that reaches over the front wheel well is very similar in shape to that seen in the Converj. Definitely A&S. And after adjusting for the wide-lens distortion, it looks more like ATS or Converj 4-door. __________________ Last edited by PistonsFan : 09-13-2009 at 11:44 AM.

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Dr. Show-Me 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,931	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? The idea of a "V" option is intriguing. Think in terms of the Volt with fwd and an electric motor. Now add 2 smaller electric motors for the rear axle. This gives awd, much more power, and computer integration of the motors, or even the option of rwd for selected situations. Instead of 8 seconds 0-60, think 5.5 seconds, quiet as a mouse, the mouse that roars! The V with more power, The AlphaElectric Starship can take the jump to WarpSpeed

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jdlover7 1.8 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: Jan 2008 Drives: 1997 camaro t-top v-6 Posts: 52	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? i think they have a winner as long as they offer BOTH coupe and four door

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zmanjr Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 213	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? how about a limo version and a soccer mom edition. The limo could be streched 12' and the soccer mom edition would have six doors and a hatchback.... thus three rows of seating and a two doors for each row.... taxi cabs here we come. and also a family queen truckster editon would be cool..... i convert all my cars to look like the family queen truckster

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BigAls87Z28 GMI Staff Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 10,655	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? It would be fantastic if Caddy could launch both the Volt and the Converj sedan at the same time. It would trump the Lexus Prius very easily, as long as it has the other equipment to match it. Lexus does give the HS a performance feel...as much as you could do to a Prius. I hope its true. You know what also is Delta sized? The BMW 3 series..... __________________ Alexander Villani GMInsideNews Editor Email Me @BigAl@GMInsidenews.com Tweet Me @Twitter.com/BigAls87Z28 2009 Malibu LT 2.4 : 1987 Camaro Z28 : 1972 Camaro RS

09-13-2009, 12:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
AMcA 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,572	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? Converj pretty much as to be a sedan. There's just not that much of a market for 2-door cars. The case for a 2 door Converj is that these green-mobiles are style statements anyway, so why not go for a full-fledged style statement? But I think that misreads the green market. Greens also demand practicality. Maybe a coupe as a follow-up . . . .

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