Four-door Converj? Dropped side windows?

MonaroSS · 09-12-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PistonsFan

I don't know if this helps, but I put together a composite image of the Caddy...

MonaroSS, feel free to chop it further if you are interested. I tried to "paint" the clay, but it wasn't a very strong effort. My photoshop skills aren't great.

Now, I have no idea what this car is.

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/gm-m...re-products/#2

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/10/g...eveals-future/[/quote]

Thanks to PistonsFan for putting together an image of a design model from the new GM ad (see links). But the ad was shot with a wide lens that stretched everything, as can be seen by the ovoid wheels, so I shrank it all back to make the wheels round again and show us the true proportions.

I'm going to estimate the wheels are 22inch in size. That sounds about right for a styling studio where they like large wheels. I don't think they would be larger.

So...

I count the wheelbase as about 4.75 wheels = 105 inches
Overall length is 7.9 wheels = 174 inches
Height is about 2.6 wheels = 58 inches

Chevy Cruze is:

Wheelbase = 105.7 inches
Length = 178.5 inches
Height = 58.2 inches

So this car is Delta sized.

So what could GM be putting on Delta with this sleek aero body? Well just maybe it's Cadillac's future version of Volt i.e. a 4-door Converj....

On the other hand it could just be the next Cruze.....

Taking another look at the original clay image I just thought the clay was unfinished and that's why the side windows were uneven. But what if they were meant to be that way? I personally don't go for it much. But it's a design idea that's shown up elsewhere including at Buick.

FenwickHockey65 · 09-12-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

Thanks to PistonsFan for putting together an image of a design model from the new GM ad. But the ad was shot with a wide lens that stretched everything, as can be seen by the ovoid wheels, so I shrank it all back to make the wheels round again and show us the true proportions.

I'm going to estimate the wheels are 22inch in size. That sounds about right for a styling studio where they like large wheels. I don't think they would be larger.

So...

I count the wheelbase as about 4.75 wheels = 105 inches
Overall length is 7.9 wheels = 174 inches
Height is about 2.6 wheels = 58 inches

Chevy Cruze is:

Wheelbase = 105.7 inches
Length = 178.5 inches
Height = 58.2 inches

So this car is Delta sized.

So what could GM be putting on Delta with this sleek aero body? Well just maybe it's Cadillac's future version of Volt i.e. a 4-door Converj....

HS250h killer?

Whatever it is, that looks good.

bigdaddy · 09-12-2009, 11:51 PM

Future Malibu?

KAD · 09-13-2009, 12:13 AM

Good post. This car really looks great. Everyone thought it was the XTS, but I'm beginning to think otherwise.

GMFAN85 · 09-13-2009, 12:41 AM

Yeah.. from what we've heard, the XTS was much closer in execution to the Sixteen concept then the Converj. This could very well be a four-door Converj or something completely different.

chevyman1973 · 09-13-2009, 01:00 AM

im sure somebody will not like it cuz the first concept was of a caddy 2 door! and this is a 4 door!

Jimmy Jive · 09-13-2009, 01:51 AM

I would imagine they'd offer the Converj in both coupe and sedan body styles.

jgill16 · 09-13-2009, 01:52 AM

I like it, but I wonder if GM will make a V series that would be sweet. Now lets say with 495hp. LOL

V8GMT360 Guy · 09-13-2009, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdaddy

Future Malibu?

Nope, we've heard that the Malibu will have a Bangle-butt, which this design profile doesn't have. I believe the Malibu is spotted elsewhere in that commercial though.

V8GMT360 Guy · 09-13-2009, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgill16

I like it, but I wonder if GM will make a V series that would be sweet. Now lets say with 495hp. LOL

Converj-V? Hmm.... Voltec with the same batteries, but a twice as powerful electric drive motor. 115 MPG instead of 230 MPG....

Sounds doable to me

throwback · 09-13-2009, 07:30 AM

While a four door will have a wider audience, the 2 door Converj looks like nothing else on the road. I hope they build the 2 door.

A.J. · 09-13-2009, 08:11 AM

Four doors will make the Converj a lot more practical.

ETS?
VTS?

Danko · 09-13-2009, 08:13 AM

I LOVE GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......especially Bob Lutz!

CamaroCrazy · 09-13-2009, 08:55 AM

Oh wow Monaro SS, you are good! Very interesting...

cire_1wb · 09-13-2009, 09:30 AM

If this is Cadillac's dedicated alternative powertrain sedan (AKA production version of the Converj Concept), then it is light years better looking than the awkward looking beasts (HS 250h or LF-Ch) that Lexus is churning out. I would like to see an entire series (sedan, coupe, and wagon) emerge for Cadillac. I would start with a sedan to test the waters; if it's successful, then I would expand the range with a coupe and wagon.

The Volt is a solid start for GM in the dedicated alternative powertrain vehicle category. If this is an indication of the production Converj, then it appears that GM could be the leader in the luxury segment of this category also.

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GMFAN85 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 442	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? Yeah.. from what we've heard, the XTS was much closer in execution to the Sixteen concept then the Converj. This could very well be a four-door Converj or something completely different.

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cire_1wb 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 231	Re: Future 4-door Converj or not? If this is Cadillac's dedicated alternative powertrain sedan (AKA production version of the Converj Concept), then it is light years better looking than the awkward looking beasts (HS 250h or LF-Ch) that Lexus is churning out. I would like to see an entire series (sedan, coupe, and wagon) emerge for Cadillac. I would start with a sedan to test the waters; if it's successful, then I would expand the range with a coupe and wagon. The Volt is a solid start for GM in the dedicated alternative powertrain vehicle category. If this is an indication of the production Converj, then it appears that GM could be the leader in the luxury segment of this category also.

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