Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test

GMusa · 09-30-2008, 03:08 PM

2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test

What Works:
Plush ride sets new standard for half-ton pickups; innovative storage.

What Needs Work:
Underachieving brakes; hefty price tag.

Bottom Line:
A very well-thought-out package that is poised to create a stir among half-ton pickups.

Drive a half-ton pickup built just 10 years ago and you'll swear it's from the Cretaceous Period. The progress you see in the current generation of trucks is a product of the energy automakers have poured into expanding the appeal of pickups in order to stake a larger claim of this profitable (well, formerly anyway) segment of the vehicle market.

As a result, the half-ton pickup is ubiquitous, a development owed to the ongoing escalation of both capability and versatility. And put simply, Dodge has struck a keen balance between these two attributes with the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500.

Exercising the Coils
Pickups ride significantly better with weight in the bed than without. Virtually everyone who has driven a loaded pickup has observed this and accepted it as mantra. Yet this is not the case with the all-new 2009 Dodge Ram 1500. Instead, it just rides well all the time.

The newfangled (well, for pickups anyway) five-link coil-spring rear suspension for the solid rear axle in this 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Crew Cab 4x4 raises the bar for pickup versatility by providing a supple and refined ride no matter the terrain. Rough roads that send the solid rear axles of other trucks a-skitter don't even faze the Ram, even when there's no payload in the bed that would help keep the axle planted on the ground.

For us, an empty pickup bed is like a riderless horse — potential unexplored — so we sought to learn how well the Ram's coil-spring rear suspension really works by loading up the bed with whatever we could find. So we filled the bed with a pallet stacked with 27 bags of salt that totaled 1,100 pounds, or 81 percent of the Ram's maximum payload of 1,360 pounds. Then we drove it like this for about 50 miles.

When the Ram was initially loaded, its rear end dropped by 1.6 inches (as measured at the rear wheelwell), giving it a noticeable nose-up stance. Despite this, the truck behaved and maintained the compliant composure we observed when it was empty. Even bumps in the middle of corners were swallowed gracefully and the Ram gave little indication that it noticed the additional weight at all.

Brakes a Mixed Bag
Physics tells us that mass likes to remain in motion, and this tendency increases when there's more mass at play. This interplay, of course, taxes a vehicle's braking system, yet the Ram's brake pedal remained consistent and free of fade.

That's not to say the brakes were perfect — even when empty, the pedal feel during initial applications has a vague squishiness that serves no apparent purpose. What's more, the unladen Ram's stopping distances from 60 mph are long — our test truck traveled 154 feet before reaching a halt.

The knobby Goodyear Wrangler ATS tires that come with this 4x4 truck's optional off-road package are largely responsible for its unimpressive braking performance, and we blame this truck's equally tepid response from its rack-and-pinion steering on the same limited contact patch afforded by these tires. A pickup truck can handle pretty well (we've driven plenty of them that do), but appropriate tires are required.

Surprise and Delight
Our 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Crew Cab 4x4 came equipped with the new Rambox, a $1,895 option that provides a movable divider for the cargo bed, tie-down cleats and two lockable storage compartments incorporated into the walls of the bed. The bins are wide enough to be really useful, although this compromises the usable width of the cargo bed itself. Nevertheless, the available cargo box still measures 52 inches wide and 63 inches long, so it is still wide enough to swallow a 4x8-foot sheet of plywood (which is still the measure of cargo-carrying goodness).

The bed divider is clever. It is feather-light, stout, can be quickly slotted into various locations in the bed and you can even flip it around to create a bed extender. It's bound to become one of those things that you never knew you needed yet can't live without. Whether buyers will ante up the substantial bread required for the Rambox option is another question. It's handy, but at what price convenience?

The Ram SLT's interior, generally speaking, is a success. Adjustable front seats, steering wheel and optional extending pedals adjust to accommodate nearly any humanoid, and the four bins in the rear seating area are a neat touch. The rear seats flip up in one motion. The road noise that finds its way into the cabin is minimal, enhancing the Ram's overriding impression of chassis refinement.

Bright sunlight brings out the worst of the Ram SLT's cabin. The pale gray plastic atop the dashboard reflects the glare into the windshield, washing out the forward view. Perhaps the monochromatic dashboard treatment of the Sport package should be proliferated to the other trim levels, we think. And the various plastic-chrome accents do more than just look tacky — they send dazzling reflections into the driver's eyes.

Power and Smoothness
With 390 horsepower and 407 pound-feet of torque, this iron-block, 5.7-liter Dodge V8 appears on paper to have the measure of both the Silverado's 367-hp 6.0-liter V8 and the Tundra's 381-hp 5.7-liter V8. We ran the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 through our usual battery of acceleration tests to see how it really stacks up to its competition.

Our results show this 5,740-pound Ram Crew Cab to be somewhere between the 2007 Chevy Silverado and 2007 Toyota Tundra we've previously tested. The Ram reached 60 mph in 7.6 seconds (7.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and traveled the quarter-mile in 15.6 seconds at 87.7 mph.

The activity of the engine's cylinder deactivation system, intended to improve fuel economy, is fairly unobtrusive save for a brief pause in waking up four of the cylinders when you goose the throttle. EPA numbers for our test truck are 13 mpg city/18 mpg highway, and our tester delivered an average of 12.7 mpg in mixed driving conditions. This result isn't exactly encouraging, and furthermore Dodge recommends 89-octane fuel for the Ram, while the Silverado and Tundra drink cheaper 87 octane.

A five-speed automatic transmission provides the Ram with a wider gearing spread than the Silverado, but it can't match the ability of the Tundra's six-speeder to have a gear for any situation. Nor do kickdowns in the Ram come quite as readily as they do in the Tundra, though the Dodge changes gears with uncanny smoothness.

Even if it can't trump the Tundra's best-in-class powertrain, the Ram's 5.7-liter V8 will easily meet the needs of most buyers. It serves up solid refinement and is more than capable of dealing with a fully loaded bed and cabin.

Stay Tuned
Silverado, pass your torch. Chevy's pickup has been the touchstone of chassis composure among half-tons since it was introduced in 2007, but the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 changes the pecking order. This is an impressive truck, one that bridges the divide between capability and comfort in a way that is sure to be the envy of other manufacturers.

With the introduction of the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 and an overhauled 2009 Ford F-150 on the horizon, our next pickup truck comparison test might hold some surprises.

Photos: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=63810

Second Opinion

Lead Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says:
It doesn't have the most horsepower, it can't tow the most weight and there are bigger trucks than the new Ram. It doesn't matter, because I still like it better than anything else that's out right now.

My previous favorite — the Toyota Tundra — has a better drivetrain, but Ram's latest Hemi V8 isn't far behind. Smooth, quiet and strong enough to do just about everything short of yanking a 10,000-pound trailer around. That's enough for me. And as smooth as the Tundra rides for such a capable truck, the Ram's new suspension does it one better. It doesn't buck over concrete freeways and is less jittery on dirt roads. The steering and brakes are spot-on, too.

Dodge got the interior right as well; plenty of room, all the right features and a straightforward design. Sounds simple, but Toyota tried too hard with the Tundra, and the GM pickups all look plain in comparison. And when it comes to the always subjective exterior styling, Dodge nailed it there, too. Great proportions and distinctive enough to not get confused for anything else.

Of course, I haven't driven the new Ford F-150 yet, but it better be a big step up from the current truck to top this new Ram. We'll see.

Source:http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-n...-dodge-ram.jpg

GMusa · 09-30-2008, 03:14 PM

I have to say, if I were to buy a truck today.. This would be it. I think it looks great and i also think it has the best looking interior.

MrCritical · 09-30-2008, 05:00 PM

Preliminary reports from Dodge had the truck at EPA 23 hwy.

Now it's down to 18 EPA hwy?

If they can't calculate better than that, no wonder they're in trouble.

RamJet502 · 09-30-2008, 05:53 PM

I wish they would test the new Ram R/T.

Slideways · 09-30-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMusa

Lead Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says:
It doesn't have the most horsepower, it can't tow the most weight and there are bigger trucks than the new Ram. It doesn't matter, because I still like it better than anything else that's out right now.

My previous favorite — the Toyota Tundra — has a better drivetrain, but Ram's latest Hemi V8 isn't far behind. Smooth, quiet and strong enough to do just about everything short of yanking a 10,000-pound trailer around. That's enough for me. And as smooth as the Tundra rides for such a capable truck, the Ram's new suspension does it one better. It doesn't buck over concrete freeways and is less jittery on dirt roads. The steering and brakes are spot-on, too.
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I don't know Ed, but I already don't like his taste in trucks. The Tundra 5.7L does pull hard, and it's the best feature of the Tundra, but the transmission downshifts are nasty. It is also far from smooth, but considering it can tow 11,000lbs I guess he's got a point. OK Ed, I'll forgive some of what you've said, but the Hemi, at least on paper, is more powerful than the Tundra's 5.7L.

likearock00 · 09-30-2008, 07:31 PM

It's a nice truck, but it ain't a Chevy. I'd like to test one out just to feel the new rear suspension but that's about it. I'd still take a GM over it any day.

GMfan1111 · 09-30-2008, 07:44 PM

it's a decent truck and it's way better than the previous gen. So what if the brakes stink I like the way Dodge managed to create more storage space especially with the ingenious rambox system

silvergoat2k6 · 10-02-2008, 02:36 AM

12.7 mpg...and $40K+ fully-loaded...good luck, Dodge...you'll need it.

likearock00 · 10-02-2008, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMfan1111

I like the way Dodge managed to create more storage space especially with the ingenious rambox system

Yeah, and with a $2k price tag, I give it about 2 model years before it gets scrapped.

Shotgun · 10-02-2008, 07:55 AM

Right now, I'll rank it #2 behind the GMC for looks. As far as functionality goes, I'd have to test one in person. I agree with Rocky anout wanting to take a drive in one to see how the rear springs do. I think they will be fine. Keep in mind Dodge had coil springs, in front, on their half-ton trucks for a few years before GM and Ford did (if they have them on the 09's), I believe. If the coil springs in rear prove to be durable, look for Ford and GM to follow. Looks like Dodge made a good piece. I know people complain about the paint and tranny, but I know people who have Dodge trucks from the mid-to-late 80's and they still run great and the people swear by them. Who knows? Some people seem to have better luck with one brand over the other.

rozz · 10-02-2008, 11:33 AM

Sounds promising, but I will wait for the fire sales. $40,000+ is kinda pricey for a Dodgy.

member12 · 10-04-2008, 10:02 AM

I've tried.....but this truck is uglier than the 2008 version in every way.

cc1999 · 10-05-2008, 09:21 AM

I like the looks of it. I don't like the way they have the availble configurations cut down to just 2 wb lengths
QC, CC, Reg Long box are all on the same WB, the only other WB avail is the Reg short bed. I think they need to offer a 6foot + bed on the CC, and a long bed on the QC. I am looking forward to seeing this truck with the new 5.0 v8 cummins motor in it.

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GMusa 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: U.S.A!!! Drives: 1998 Ford Taurus SE Posts: 1,904	Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test What Works: Plush ride sets new standard for half-ton pickups; innovative storage. What Needs Work: Underachieving brakes; hefty price tag. Bottom Line: A very well-thought-out package that is poised to create a stir among half-ton pickups. Drive a half-ton pickup built just 10 years ago and you'll swear it's from the Cretaceous Period. The progress you see in the current generation of trucks is a product of the energy automakers have poured into expanding the appeal of pickups in order to stake a larger claim of this profitable (well, formerly anyway) segment of the vehicle market. As a result, the half-ton pickup is ubiquitous, a development owed to the ongoing escalation of both capability and versatility. And put simply, Dodge has struck a keen balance between these two attributes with the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500. Exercising the Coils Pickups ride significantly better with weight in the bed than without. Virtually everyone who has driven a loaded pickup has observed this and accepted it as mantra. Yet this is not the case with the all-new 2009 Dodge Ram 1500. Instead, it just rides well all the time. The newfangled (well, for pickups anyway) five-link coil-spring rear suspension for the solid rear axle in this 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Crew Cab 4x4 raises the bar for pickup versatility by providing a supple and refined ride no matter the terrain. Rough roads that send the solid rear axles of other trucks a-skitter don't even faze the Ram, even when there's no payload in the bed that would help keep the axle planted on the ground. For us, an empty pickup bed is like a riderless horse — potential unexplored — so we sought to learn how well the Ram's coil-spring rear suspension really works by loading up the bed with whatever we could find. So we filled the bed with a pallet stacked with 27 bags of salt that totaled 1,100 pounds, or 81 percent of the Ram's maximum payload of 1,360 pounds. Then we drove it like this for about 50 miles. When the Ram was initially loaded, its rear end dropped by 1.6 inches (as measured at the rear wheelwell), giving it a noticeable nose-up stance. Despite this, the truck behaved and maintained the compliant composure we observed when it was empty. Even bumps in the middle of corners were swallowed gracefully and the Ram gave little indication that it noticed the additional weight at all. Brakes a Mixed Bag Physics tells us that mass likes to remain in motion, and this tendency increases when there's more mass at play. This interplay, of course, taxes a vehicle's braking system, yet the Ram's brake pedal remained consistent and free of fade. That's not to say the brakes were perfect — even when empty, the pedal feel during initial applications has a vague squishiness that serves no apparent purpose. What's more, the unladen Ram's stopping distances from 60 mph are long — our test truck traveled 154 feet before reaching a halt. The knobby Goodyear Wrangler ATS tires that come with this 4x4 truck's optional off-road package are largely responsible for its unimpressive braking performance, and we blame this truck's equally tepid response from its rack-and-pinion steering on the same limited contact patch afforded by these tires. A pickup truck can handle pretty well (we've driven plenty of them that do), but appropriate tires are required. Surprise and Delight Our 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Crew Cab 4x4 came equipped with the new Rambox, a $1,895 option that provides a movable divider for the cargo bed, tie-down cleats and two lockable storage compartments incorporated into the walls of the bed. The bins are wide enough to be really useful, although this compromises the usable width of the cargo bed itself. Nevertheless, the available cargo box still measures 52 inches wide and 63 inches long, so it is still wide enough to swallow a 4x8-foot sheet of plywood (which is still the measure of cargo-carrying goodness). The bed divider is clever. It is feather-light, stout, can be quickly slotted into various locations in the bed and you can even flip it around to create a bed extender. It's bound to become one of those things that you never knew you needed yet can't live without. Whether buyers will ante up the substantial bread required for the Rambox option is another question. It's handy, but at what price convenience? The Ram SLT's interior, generally speaking, is a success. Adjustable front seats, steering wheel and optional extending pedals adjust to accommodate nearly any humanoid, and the four bins in the rear seating area are a neat touch. The rear seats flip up in one motion. The road noise that finds its way into the cabin is minimal, enhancing the Ram's overriding impression of chassis refinement. Bright sunlight brings out the worst of the Ram SLT's cabin. The pale gray plastic atop the dashboard reflects the glare into the windshield, washing out the forward view. Perhaps the monochromatic dashboard treatment of the Sport package should be proliferated to the other trim levels, we think. And the various plastic-chrome accents do more than just look tacky — they send dazzling reflections into the driver's eyes. Power and Smoothness With 390 horsepower and 407 pound-feet of torque, this iron-block, 5.7-liter Dodge V8 appears on paper to have the measure of both the Silverado's 367-hp 6.0-liter V8 and the Tundra's 381-hp 5.7-liter V8. We ran the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 through our usual battery of acceleration tests to see how it really stacks up to its competition. Our results show this 5,740-pound Ram Crew Cab to be somewhere between the 2007 Chevy Silverado and 2007 Toyota Tundra we've previously tested. The Ram reached 60 mph in 7.6 seconds (7.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and traveled the quarter-mile in 15.6 seconds at 87.7 mph. The activity of the engine's cylinder deactivation system, intended to improve fuel economy, is fairly unobtrusive save for a brief pause in waking up four of the cylinders when you goose the throttle. EPA numbers for our test truck are 13 mpg city/18 mpg highway, and our tester delivered an average of 12.7 mpg in mixed driving conditions. This result isn't exactly encouraging, and furthermore Dodge recommends 89-octane fuel for the Ram, while the Silverado and Tundra drink cheaper 87 octane. A five-speed automatic transmission provides the Ram with a wider gearing spread than the Silverado, but it can't match the ability of the Tundra's six-speeder to have a gear for any situation. Nor do kickdowns in the Ram come quite as readily as they do in the Tundra, though the Dodge changes gears with uncanny smoothness. Even if it can't trump the Tundra's best-in-class powertrain, the Ram's 5.7-liter V8 will easily meet the needs of most buyers. It serves up solid refinement and is more than capable of dealing with a fully loaded bed and cabin. Stay Tuned Silverado, pass your torch. Chevy's pickup has been the touchstone of chassis composure among half-tons since it was introduced in 2007, but the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 changes the pecking order. This is an impressive truck, one that bridges the divide between capability and comfort in a way that is sure to be the envy of other manufacturers. With the introduction of the 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 and an overhauled 2009 Ford F-150 on the horizon, our next pickup truck comparison test might hold some surprises. Photos: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=63810 Second Opinion Lead Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says: It doesn't have the most horsepower, it can't tow the most weight and there are bigger trucks than the new Ram. It doesn't matter, because I still like it better than anything else that's out right now. My previous favorite — the Toyota Tundra — has a better drivetrain, but Ram's latest Hemi V8 isn't far behind. Smooth, quiet and strong enough to do just about everything short of yanking a 10,000-pound trailer around. That's enough for me. And as smooth as the Tundra rides for such a capable truck, the Ram's new suspension does it one better. It doesn't buck over concrete freeways and is less jittery on dirt roads. The steering and brakes are spot-on, too. Dodge got the interior right as well; plenty of room, all the right features and a straightforward design. Sounds simple, but Toyota tried too hard with the Tundra, and the GM pickups all look plain in comparison. And when it comes to the always subjective exterior styling, Dodge nailed it there, too. Great proportions and distinctive enough to not get confused for anything else. Of course, I haven't driven the new Ford F-150 yet, but it better be a big step up from the current truck to top this new Ram. We'll see. Source:http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-n...-dodge-ram.jpg __________________ -JD Last edited by GMusa : 09-30-2008 at 03:15 PM.

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GMusa 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: U.S.A!!! Drives: 1998 Ford Taurus SE Posts: 1,904	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test I have to say, if I were to buy a truck today.. This would be it. I think it looks great and i also think it has the best looking interior. __________________ -JD

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MrCritical 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Of The North Drives: '08 GMC Canyon Posts: 421	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test Preliminary reports from Dodge had the truck at EPA 23 hwy. Now it's down to 18 EPA hwy? If they can't calculate better than that, no wonder they're in trouble.

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RamJet502 5.3 Liter LS4 V8 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Drives: 2001 Chevy Silverado Posts: 3,084	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test I wish they would test the new Ram R/T. __________________

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likearock00 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Drives: 2006 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab Z-71 Posts: 7,864	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test It's a nice truck, but it ain't a Chevy. I'd like to test one out just to feel the new rear suspension but that's about it. I'd still take a GM over it any day. __________________ Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. -Thomas Jefferson

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GMfan1111 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in a undisclosed location somewhere in the metro detroit area Drives: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS Posts: 1,605	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test it's a decent truck and it's way better than the previous gen. So what if the brakes stink I like the way Dodge managed to create more storage space especially with the ingenious rambox system __________________ The 100 Mpg Prius is Vaporware “The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair” "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools". - Douglas Adams - Current ride: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS (happy 95,000 miles )

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silvergoat2k6 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Jul 2007 Drives: '06 Pontiac GTO Posts: 357	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test 12.7 mpg...and $40K+ fully-loaded...good luck, Dodge...you'll need it.

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Shotgun 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast USA Drives: 1999 GMC, 1983 Nissan, 2007 Buick, 2005 Chevrolet Posts: 1,675	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test Right now, I'll rank it #2 behind the GMC for looks. As far as functionality goes, I'd have to test one in person. I agree with Rocky anout wanting to take a drive in one to see how the rear springs do. I think they will be fine. Keep in mind Dodge had coil springs, in front, on their half-ton trucks for a few years before GM and Ford did (if they have them on the 09's), I believe. If the coil springs in rear prove to be durable, look for Ford and GM to follow. Looks like Dodge made a good piece. I know people complain about the paint and tranny, but I know people who have Dodge trucks from the mid-to-late 80's and they still run great and the people swear by them. Who knows? Some people seem to have better luck with one brand over the other.

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rozz 2.0 Liter Supercharged ECOTEC Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 189	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test Sounds promising, but I will wait for the fire sales. $40,000+ is kinda pricey for a Dodgy.

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member12 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta Drives: pickup truck Posts: 5,369	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test I've tried.....but this truck is uglier than the 2008 version in every way. __________________ Answer Toyota's FJ and 4Runner...BRING BACK A ZR2 BLAZER!!!!

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cc1999 3.8 Liter V6 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 435	Re: Insideline: 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab Full Test I like the looks of it. I don't like the way they have the availble configurations cut down to just 2 wb lengths QC, CC, Reg Long box are all on the same WB, the only other WB avail is the Reg short bed. I think they need to offer a 6foot + bed on the CC, and a long bed on the QC. I am looking forward to seeing this truck with the new 5.0 v8 cummins motor in it.

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