2011 Challenger to get 6.4L and other goodies

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by adaptabl

The problem is that Chrysler will have a tough time keeping it's doors open past 2010. They have no new product and an old fleet that can only be sold with deep discounts. It even looks like FIAT is getting ready to carve them up if things keep going bad by seperating the truck division from the cars.

Excuse my ignorance but what about the next generation Chrysler 300 and Jeep Grand Cherokee? Haven't they been approved for production?

[ARCANGEL]

I think the challenger is going the way of the firebird ....na na naa na! na na naa na! hey hey hey goodbye

[ResumeSpeed]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I guess Chrysler doesn't have a more advanced transmission coming out in that time either?

Several 8-speed models are in the works...

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

Excuse my ignorance but what about the next generation Chrysler 300 and Jeep Grand Cherokee? Haven't they been approved for production?

Yes, GC set to launch in late spring, right after the all-new 2011 HD Ram models (April)... followed later in the year by the all-new Charger, and then the all-new 300.

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

I think the challenger is going the way of the firebird ....na na naa na! na na naa na! hey hey hey goodbye

Not for awhile...

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by ResumeSpeed

Several 8-speed models are in the works...

Cool, when will they start showing up in Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge products?

Originally Posted by ResumeSpeed

Yes, GC set to launch in late spring, right after the all-new 2011 HD Ram models (April)... followed later in the year by the all-new Charger, and then the all-new 300.

So I guess Chrysler has plenty of future products after all, they all looks stunning. I just hope they stick to the concepts and they don't dumb them down.

[PAULSTS1]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

I think the challenger is going the way of the firebird ....na na naa na! na na naa na! hey hey hey goodbye

Archangel:

One of the times we disagree; the Pontiac Firebird was abandoned and then forgotten by GM. FIAT has evaluated the profit potential from the lower volume of Dodge sales and is already committing the technology (Multi-Air) and supporting the transmission engineering to create a better Challenger than Chrysler LLC ever would. Chrysler's future looks better than it has in years!

BTW, there are bad tidings out of the South for Bank of America, it is still hemorrhaging money, so we need now to concentrate on the economy of the USA in general. Imagine if you will only one car company....and you know whom that will be: TATA!

[GMfan1111]

Originally Posted by ResumeSpeed

Several 8-speed models are in the works...


Yes, GC set to launch in late spring, right after the all-new 2011 HD Ram models (April)... followed later in the year by the all-new Charger, and then the all-new 300.


Not for awhile...

cool when will the 2011 challengers begin testing I've begun seeing a handful of wine red R/T's with Black front ends running around. I'll try and get a shot and do some more research don't know if they are old testers or not but if they are mules for the 2011 MCE it would make sense considering a slight change in front end styling is in the cards

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by avro206

I was just using the 7.0 LS7 as a benchmark. GMs LS series heads are awesome, the LS7 is in a high state of tune from the factory. I cannot think of another 2 valve, NA car that is rated so high. The fact that this pushrod engine is redlined at 7000rpm is amazing.
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2 valve ohv
http://www.iconicmotors.com/web/features_specs.php
Does anyone know if Chrysler is working on direct injection Hemi?

[ChargerSRT8]

Originally Posted by GMfan1111

cool when will the 2011 challengers begin testing I've begun seeing a handful of wine red R/T's with Black front ends running around. I'll try and get a shot and do some more research don't know if they are old testers or not but if they are mules for the 2011 MCE it would make sense considering a slight change in front end styling is in the cards

Whoa... is that a typo or is something magical happening in Detroit? It's hard to believe there are camoed Challengers driving around already since the current one hasn't been out that long. Of course, it could always be a disguised 2011 Charger.

They did disguise the Challenger as a Charger for some of its testing, so there isn't anything to stop them from doing the opposite. If you could get a shot of one driving around that would be great. I'd love to see one driving around.

[GMfan1111]

Originally Posted by ChargerSRT8

Whoa... is that a typo or is something magical happening in Detroit? It's hard to believe there are camoed Challengers driving around already since the current one hasn't been out that long. Of course, it could always be a disguised 2011 Charger.

They did disguise the Challenger as a Charger for some of its testing, so there isn't anything to stop them from doing the opposite. If you could get a shot of one driving around that would be great. I'd love to see one driving around.

I'll try they haven't made a repeat appearance lately but i'll keep my eyes out for them. The testers i'm talking about are not wearing formal camo but basically have a Black front end on an otherwise wine red body. Overall it's been brutally slow in the test car market this year especially over at GM and chrysler. I go to CTC regularly and it has been dead quiet in terms of activity for ahile now. hopefully that'll change this winter assuming the new durango is still on target in terms of devlopment time.

[Speedjerk]

Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

I think the challenger is going the way of the firebird ....na na naa na! na na naa na! hey hey hey goodbye

I like the Challenger. It's my favorite of the three. I don't wish it goodbye at all....

If I had the money for a second high performance car, that would be the one.

Even though they are only selling at around 1200/month, that still isn't bad. It seems to me there is greater margin built into the Challenger than the others, as it does sell at a steeper price. I don't think they ever intended to sell as many as Ford or GM. Let it be known that Honda never sold that many S2k's in a month, ever! Yet, they kept the line alive for 10 years. Must have been some profit in it somewhere...somehow...and I'm sure with Chrysler sharing the Challenger platform, it must have a greater profit potential. The S2K was a hand built single platform.

[Speedjerk]

S2000 Production

[Speedjerk]

Originally Posted by Danko

Okay, expert Paul, where do you get off saying the R/T is more than fast enough? You try to sound like you know what you are talking about. Why? Forums are good to learn from. That is why I ask about info on the 6.4 and hope someone that actually knows something can post that info. Skylark should not be dreaming to think the R/T should get the 6.1. Afterall, it costs thousands more than the SS with their 6.2.

I don't know why Chrysler couldn't afford to put the 6.1L in the R/T and still offer it for the same price as the SS, trim for trim. Seems to me the only viable option at this point. They will be in for a serious butt kicking if they don't. It's okay to be an underdog as long as you have something unique to offer. ...Looks can only go so far.

[Prince Valiant]

Originally Posted by avro206

Head flow numbers are critical of course. But as you know a 2 valve head is still limited compared to a 4 valve head. So yes, for real high rpm breathing 2 valves cannot match 4.

Again, quite simplistic and not true.

4 valve engines run into the problems that wedge head engines run into, and that's size (valves of a wedge head are limited by bore size) of which 4v get an advantage over 2v's, sure. The other is valve shrouding, which there is significant limitations of flow because sizable areas around the valve experience limited flow due to the valves proximity to the cylinder wall and to a lesser extent, the cylinder head itself. 4v heads certainly experience this and then have the the opposite intake valve to shroud reduce flow as well.

The Hemi design eliminates both of these problems...as such can run significantly larger valves (thus closing the valve size/area difference b/w typical 2v and 4v designs) and can do so without the typical valve shrouding the 4v head will experience....the toyota 5.7 4v is a good example, given similar states of tune, both the 2v and 4v make essentially the same power (with a slight edge to the hemi).

[Danko]

Hey ChargerSRT8, Nothing magical is happening in detoilet. The new Challenger has nothing to do with Detroit. NOTHING! To continue to describe the "Detroit Three" as a reality is foolish. GM is in detoilet. Ford is not and Chrysler is not. The Challenger is Canadian and the hemi is Mexican and Chrysler is.......... ??????????? Meanwhile, the Challenger IS gorgeous but too heavy and WAY overpriced vs. the SS. Between the SS and next year's Mustang, how can the Challenger expect to sell?

[JBsZ06]

the S5? isn't that like a 60 grand german sport coupe? From what i've heard..the S5 is a light vehicle.. and a real value?

the challenger with a 6.4 liter v8 rocks! the challenger has always been a bit larger than the mustang...

I guess its history repeating itself?