Is the 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 Diesel A 5.0-Liter V-8?

[roteague]

"Is the 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 Diesel A 5.0-Liter V-8?
By: Mike Levine Posted: 09-11-08 00:01 PT
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Of all the sources we've had provide information about future products, this one ranks among the most unique, because a vehicle, not a person, is the source. The all-new 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup has apparently revealed the oft-speculated displacement for Chrysler's upcoming 2010 light-duty diesel engine."

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/new...-0-liters.html

[chevydlrmn]

Well that is really obvious. GM, Ford, and Chrysler all have a light duty diesel coming next year. Where is Nissan and Toyota's offering? Huh, I guess Nissan will get theirs from Chrysler and it is only Toyota without it. I wonder if Chrysler can give Nissan a two-mode hybrid to sell...?????

[roteague]

Originally Posted by chevydlrmn

Well that is really obvious. GM, Ford, and Chrysler all have a light duty diesel coming next year. Where is Nissan and Toyota's offering? Huh, I guess Nissan will get theirs from Chrysler and it is only Toyota without it. I wonder if Chrysler can give Nissan a two-mode hybrid to sell...?????

Toyota has been rumored to be working on porting one of their European diesel engines to meet US specs, to put into the Turda. But, I haven't seen or heard any sightings of it spy pictures yet, so who knows.

[AMERICA 123]

Next question on the Ram ; six or eight ? Yes, the title somewhat assumes and or suggests a (vee) eight but.....is that certain ?

5.0L...... hmmmm...... larger than 'needed'....... still leaves the door ( wide) open to a cut down inline six.

[Stéphane Dumas]

Cummins prepare a 5.6L V8 and a V6 4.2L, I guess this new 5.0L is a new addition to their new family of "small-block diesels" (the current I6 is the "big-block diesel") http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d..._v8/index.html

[AMERICA 123]

That's a good article - although I didn't take the time to find a date and it looks a little old ( 2006 - 2007 ?). I thought there was more to this ie it had been somewhat superceded or had significantly evolved.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

That's a good article - although I didn't take the time to find a date and it looks a little old ( 2006 - 2007 ?). I thought there was more to this ie it had been somewhat superceded or had significantly evolved.

It was marked "Posted: 09-11-08".

[AMERICA 123]

Well, there you go. It does reference 2007 LA 'air' and a Mopar 5.9L.

I do remember looking at some of the charts a ways back as well.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas

Cummins prepare a 5.6L V8 and a V6 4.2L, I guess this new 5.0L is a new addition to their new family of "small-block diesels" (the current I6 is the "big-block diesel") http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d..._v8/index.html

Stephane Dumas,

Did you catch this bit on a development of this ?

Although about MB product tax credits .....

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...457/1148/rss25

Last para...

Volkswagen of America as introduced diesel versions of the Jetta later this year -- a sportwagon and sedan.

Chrysler LLC is introducing a new Jeep Grand Cherokee using the Mercedes Bluetech engine next year.

It plans to unveil a diesel Dodge Ram and two-mode hybrid diesel Ram in the next few years.

[Pinnacle]

Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas

Cummins prepare a 5.6L V8 and a V6 4.2L, I guess this new 5.0L is a new addition to their new family of "small-block diesels" (the current I6 is the "big-block diesel") http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d..._v8/index.html

I thought that the 4.2L is what they were gonna drop into the new Ram, I think its the perfect size.

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I thought that the 4.2L is what they were gonna drop into the new Ram, I think its the perfect size.

The Mercedes V6 diesel in their sedans is 3.0 liters and makes 210 horsepower and 400 foot pounds of torque.

So if the Cummins diesel is anywhere near as efficient, 4.2 liters is actually a lot bigger than a Ram 1500 would need. 3.5 liters would probably be plenty!

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by roteague

It was marked "Posted: 09-11-08".

Hmmmm, I can't find that. Perhaps you could show where that date is used.

Possibly there is confusion here about which article is referenced.

The relevant remarks are and have been about [i]this http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d..._v8/index.html

- that SD posted in the thread - not the article

that was used to start the thread - which does have that posted date http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/new...-0-liters.html

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From the text content itself, it appears fairly certain this ( again for clarity - SD's linked article at http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d..._v8/index.html - was

written in 2006 - and probably based on information no more current than in the earlier half of that year.

Some of the information used is even older than that. This concerns the 4.2 and 5.6, and not the 5.0.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I thought that the 4.2L is what they were gonna drop into the new Ram, I think its the perfect size.

See, thats whats really interesting here. Using today's date as a starting point, the 4.2/5.6L 'programs and necc precursors' are in a very real sense, more than 10 years old.

For comparison, MB's game changin' King Kong '2.2'L took four years - from start to finish.

Basically they were just about 'ready' - and then a bunch of stuff happened - including some really important emissions standard changes.

Obviously ( for good reason ), the 6.7 - (and 5.9) get and got, 'priority'.

Anyway, here we are now - technically speaking with three possibilities for configuration. I6 ( long shot - not likely but ....),V6 and V8 - which is the best guess.

Future Two Mode - Diesel Hybrid - and more advanced 'diesel basics' are probably the main drivers on the displacement change and (apparent) choice.

That ( 2M) also 'probably' makes the vee eight much more likely although there are other considerations that favor it as well.

Personally, I rather have it as an I6 - unless and until we get better information that goes the otherway.

[Stéphane Dumas]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

Stephane Dumas,

Did you catch this bit on a development of this ?

Although about MB product tax credits .....

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...457/1148/rss25

Last para...
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No I didn't catch this one, thanks for the tip America123

[roteague]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

Hmmmm, I can't find that. Perhaps you could show where that date is used.

Makes me wonder if the article had been copied from elsewhere.