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Old 03-18-2005, 12:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My Ideal Jaguar Lineup:
XC $34,000-$48,000
The XC replaces the aging and underappreciated X-type, keeping a similar size but taking on the new Jaguar styling inside and out. Boasting a tightly sprung sport suspension, this car is offered in three engines: a base 250 HP 3.5L V6, and an upgraded 300 HP DI 3.5L V6. This vehicle has standard AWD.
The XCR boasting a naturally aspirated DI 5.0 V8 pumping out 420 HP along side some minor visual upgrades inside and out in addition to other performance upgrades - 15" Brembo's, tighter suspension, gripper and wider tires, sport seats.

XF $46,000-$62,000
New model as-is with the following engine options: A standard 320 HP 4.2L V8; opt for the upgraded engine gets you the naturally aspirated DI 5.0 V8 pumping out 420 HP.
The XFR offers all the performance upgrades you'd expect, including a 520 HP DI turbo 5.0L V8.

XJ $67,000-$81,000
A new model slightly larger in all areas except wheel base, which grows even more so. The standard model is offered in only one engine: the smooth but powerful naturally aspirated DI 5.0 V8 pumping out 420 HP. Smoothness is engrained in this vehicles - including smooth moves. Standard is the continuously varying suspension with two modes: Comfort and Sport. This allows the Jag to ride supremely, while also allowing to offer moves that would shock the Germans.
The XJR offers a turbocharged version of the DI 5.0L, bumped up to 5.5L and good for 580 HP. That's in addition to all the other performance upgrades.

XK $78,000-$92,000
Current mostly as-is. Engine choices have been changed up. Standard engine is the naturally aspirated DI 5.0 V8 good for 420 HP, while upgradable to a 520 HP turbocharged 5.0L V8.
The XKR offers - among all the other performance goodie upgrades - a turbocharged version of the DI 5.0L, bumped up to 5.5L and good for 580 HP.
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Old 03-18-2005, 03:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Your Ideal Jaguar Lineup!

since there's no lincoln thread yet, figured i'd skip a rung and do jag.. and the whole British PAG lineup...

2009 Jaguar N.A. Lineup

X-type: small (9-3/BLS) R/AWD sedan/coupe/conv./wagon, 28-45k
Base: 3.5L V-6 240hp, 6 speed M or A
T: 3.5L V-6 255hp, 6 speed A
H: 3.5L V-6 260hp, 6 speed A
R: 4.3L V-8 350hp, 6 speed A or M

E-type: RWD hardtop roadster, 32-55k
Base: 3.5L V-6 240hp, 6 speed M or A
T: 3.5L V-6 255hp, 6 speed A or M
H: 3.5L V-6 260hp, 6 speed A or M
R: 4.3L V-8 350hp, 6 speed A or M

S-type: midsize (between C and S caddy) R/AWD sedan or wagon, 35-65k
Base: 260hp 3.5L V-6, 6 speed A or M
T: 320hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
H: 340hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
R: 440hp SC 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A

XJ/XJL: Large/really large (bigger than STS) R/AWD sedan, 48-95k
Base: 315hp 4.3L V-8 (not on L), 6 speed A
T: 350hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
H: 410hp 6.0L V-12, 6 speed A
R: 500hp 7.0L V-12, 6 speed A

XK: RWD 2+2 coupe/convertible, 55-100k
Base: 315hp 4.3L V-8 (not on L), 6 speed A
T: 350hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
H: 410hp 6.0L V-12, 6 speed A
R: 500hp 7.0L V-12, 6 speed A

Land Rover 2009

LR2: longer Escape platform, AWD, 2 or 4 door, 5 seater, 30k-45k
L: 240hp 3.5L V-6, 6 speed A or M
R: 260hp 3.5L V-6, 6 speed A

LR3: 4WD, 5 seater, 42-57k
L: 320hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
R: 340hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A

Range Sport: AWD, 4 seater, 2 or 4 door, 48-63k
L: 340hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
R: 425hp SC 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A

Range Rover: Bigger, LR3/RS based, 4WD, 7 seater, 2 or 4 door, 58-73k
L: 340hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A
R: 425hp SC 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A

Aston Martin 2009

DB-8: smallest, 2 seater, coupe/hard. convetible, 70-100k
S: 375hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A or M
R: 410hp 4.3L V-8, 6 speed A or M

DB-10: bigger, 2+2 seater coupe/ 2 seat hard. convetible, 100-140k
S: 440hp 6.0L V-12, 6 speed A or M
R: 470hp 6.0L V-12, 6 speed A or M

DB-12: biggest, 2+2 seater, coupe/ hard. convetible, 140-190k
S: 515hp 7.0L V-12, 6 speed A or M
R: 540hp 7.0L V-12, 6 speed A or M
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Your Ideal Jaguar Lineup!

Seeing a couple new-to-me pix has got me thinking...
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Terms like Jaguar 5-door and super-estate come to mind...
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Your Ideal Jaguar Lineup!

Jaguar should have four model lines:

S-Type: No less expensive than it currently is
XJ Sedan: Very well positioned currently
XK Coupe/Convertible: Aiming at the Mercedes SL/CL, BMW 6-Series
Daimler: Based on the XJ but positioned more toward the Bentley sedan

As much as I like the X-Type as a car, I don't want Jaguar as an "attainable" brand; it should remain at "aspirational."
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XJ series				     wlb ovl
XJ-S shortened wheelbase saloon		     115 193	$45-65k
XJ   standard 				     119 200	$60-80k
XJ-L long wheelbase			     123 207	$75-99k
Similar to what I've read they're doing - basing a new S on the XJ 
platform. All would feature extensive use of aluminium. Rwd v6 and 
v8, gas & diesel, plus Awd hybrid versions for the US. Styling, at 
first, is identical with shared fenders, frt&rear windscreens, 
dashpanels. Doors are specific to model. Also, hoods and  trunks 
(bonnets and boots) extend further as size increases (v12 for XJ-L?). 
Unified styling is in attempt to get one superlative design exactly 
right. Possibly, divergent styling at refresh.

XK series
XK2  2 seat sportscar   - coupe,targa,'vert  102 179	$35-65k
XK4  4 seat sportLux    - coupe,c.cabrio     110 187	$55-75k
The sportscars are an evolution of the E-type not the XJS, XJR, nor 
ALC. The XK2 includes v6 & v8 and a 'basic' version of both for 'fun' 
and pricepoint as well as higher priced luxury editions. Only the 
basic v6 coupe is $35k. XK4 is luxury sport only - v6 & v8 europe, 
v8 only US. Room for 4 adults, not "2+2".

JL series
Estate & SuperEstate    - 5door		     112 188	$35-40,43-48k
Estate = Rwd-Awd, v6, gas & diesel & hybrid. High design & quality 
over luxury (no wood? half-leather only? ac not climate?). One trim, 
relatively high featured, few options.
SuperEstate = Awd v8 and supercharged v8. Adds the luxury as standard, 
few options. The idea is sort of a 2-tier Acura-TL-like wagon. The 
base has a designer-workout/best-quality-tool feel to it, practical 
quality "you don't have to be careful with". The Super is the handyman 
in evening-wear.
The following year the steroid version is released. Higher (adj?) ride 
height, taller roof, lengthened to offer 3rd row seating; but same 
styling, not truck/suv-like.
Safari & SuperSafari    - tall 5door 7pass   117 195	$42-50,52-65k
If this approach succeeds, the line is then expanded with:
Saloon & SuperSaloon    - 4door		     112 188	$33-38,40-46k

By introducing the Estates and Safaris first, the idea of a practical 
Jaguar is hopefully established as not being out of character. Design 
and build-&-materials-quality is key. Then an 'affordable' sedan/saloon 
will seem natural and not forced. The outcome would be a 3 part lineup: 
the 'big guns' aluminium sedans & sportscars; the Supers, and the base-
trim JL models.

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easiest question in the world....

S-Type mk.2 - sharpen and modernize the classic theme, from V6TT diesel right up to supercharged version of the V8 Aston engine / next generation blown 4.2 V8. hell, use the X-type development to build an S-type looking AWD crossover and AWD estate...but drop the X-type styling.

XJ - as is, for the moment. Needs a bit of a refresh in 2 years though, as they were too conservative imho.

F-TYPE! for gods sake jaguar, a lightweight (2700lb) roadster with a choice of forced-induction Duratecs that looks just as good as your teasing concepts. Priced right at the Boster & Boxter S.

XK - clean up the ALC from Detroit, drop the side vents and give it more power and grace...

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X-Type. Upgrade it!! Minimum price: $37,000.
X-Type R. Minimum price: $56,000. Supercharged V6. 380HP
AWD standard.

S-Type. Upgrade and update it. Minimum price: $48,000.
S-Type R. Minimum price $68,000. Supercharged V8. 450HP.
Addition of S-Type Estate wagon.
Addition of AWD.

XJ8/XJ8-L/XJ8 Vanden Plas. As is. Minimum price $65,000.
XJR. Minimum price $88,000. Supercharged V8. 450HP.
Addition of AWD.

XK8. Total revamp. Minimum price $85,000.
XKR. Total revamp. Minimum price $98,000. Supercharged V8. 450HP.
Addition of AWD.

XJ220. 850HP Supercar. Price $550,000.

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$550,000 Jag supercar? Hmm... interesting... could work, too...
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$550,000 Jag supercar? Hmm... interesting... could work, too...
They do exist, ya know.

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They do exist, ya know.

Ohh! I knew that... I... I was just testing you! Ya, that's it, just testing you! *whistles and looks innocent* But, ya, I knew that, just completely forgot about it...
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Ohh! I knew that... I... I was just testing you! Ya, that's it, just testing you! *whistles and looks innocent* But, ya, I knew that, just completely forgot about it...

They were sweet looking cars.



But I guess having Aston already in the lineup, it may be a better place for a supercar.
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Ya, I use to love it a ton, but finally has become dated.
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Ya, I use to love it a ton, but finally has become dated.
Its still cool and you don't see them as often as a Ferrari or a Lamborghini(Heck, I've never seen one in real life)
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I was fortunate to see an XJ220 cruising through London. I wasn't too sure what it was at first. I had to stand there and think for a moment.
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It's still good, of course!
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