Motortrend MKS Review

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Originally Posted by Astra RL

One car for every letter is excessive but hey if they can achieve it why not. Also, could you make Mercury the Hybrid brand at Ford, both mainstream and luxury.

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Originally Posted by Astra RL

One car for every letter is excessive but hey if they can achieve it why not. Also, could you make Mercury the Hybrid brand at Ford, both mainstream and luxury.

It's called sarcasm.
As if every other luxury brand does not use letters too.
There is a reason they do this, so that pronounce the brand, not the vehicle. For example, everyone will refer to it as a Lincoln MKS rather than a continental or some other name.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by blank disk

You mean the 9K preordered is no indication of it's impending success?

Not sure of the demographic for the MKS, but I am sure it is about 10 years higher than the CTS. Those people will easily prioritize a luxury bias with plenty of room as well. I have not compared them exactly, but it seems the MKS offers more total luxury too, which is also prioritized.

A successful luxury car for Lincoln needs to bring increased sales, a greater measure of prestige, and increased interest among affluent consumers who aren't members of the AARP. The MKS seems to be a decent enough car that will have some success in the area of sales, but it seems unlikely to accomplish much with either of the second two priorities. If Cadillac ever gets their act together and builds a second worthwhile automobile to sell alongside the CTS the image and interest the CTS has generated will help that car achieve an even greater measure of success. The 300 almost single-handedly made Chrysler cool again, a benefit they obviously squandered but a benefit either way. These are qualities that in no way, shape, or form apply to the MKS.

The design ethos they should be chasing would have them building cars like the Mk IX concept and Zephyr concept....not the MKS. Luckily it seems the MKS will eventually be replaced by a GRWD-based RWD model, preferably one with an actual name instead of this ridiculous and unintelligible alphabet soup.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Absolutely stunning, inside and out. I can't wait to see the production MkR.

[ChevroletRevived]

Excellent pictures! The MKS looks much better in real life photos then in the press shots (which is usually the case). Highly competent car inside and out! I think Lincoln has a bright future, with a redesign of the MKZ on the way, the MKT and MKR coming. All show a lot of promise.

[Xenon]

I think that the MKS easily is in the bottom ranks, in terms of fuel economy in its segment. Can't say I have high hopes for the turbocharged version's fuel economy.

Cadillac STS: 3.6 304hp 18/26
Cadillac CTS: 3.6 304hp 18/26
Lexus GS 350: 3.5 V6 303hp 19/27
BMW 535i: 3.0 I6 300hp 17/26
Hyundai Genesis V6: 3.8L V6 290hp 18/27
Hyundai Genesis V8: 4.6L V8 375hp 17/25
Lincoln MKS (FWD): 3.7L V6 275hp 17/24

Aside form that the features in the MKS don't really stand out from the crowd, rear styling is a bit derivative, and aside from the interior build quality (Don't get me wrong, excellent is an understatement, seen the interior in person before) nothing is really great about this car. I'm curious to see how much conquest sales this car gets.

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Not enough features you say?
Killer large sunroof.
heated/cooled seats in both rows.
hidden keypad (very cool)
starter button.
killer navigation with search
Satellite radio
sync
rotating HID's
AWD
Probably best safety features and ratings
class leading roominess

just off the top of my head. But what is missing that others have in that price range?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Xenon

I think that the MKS easily is in the bottom ranks, in terms of fuel economy in its segment. Can't say I have high hopes for the turbocharged version's fuel economy.

You do realize that the GTDi V6 version will almost certainly get better fuel economy than the base car...right? It might also be worth mentioning that the MKS is larger than any car in that group by some margin. To put that into perspective, the MKS is longer overall than the long wheelbase Lexus LS and is about an inch shorter overall than the current Audi A8L. For reference that means you have to leapfrog the Lexus GS by two models in order to get a car this big. Thus it may compete with the cars listed below in terms of price, but in terms of overall size and interior room there is no comparison.

I'm no MKS devotee by any stretch, I don't think the overall package could be more wrong for Lincoln, but there is way too much disinformation floating around about this car.

Cadillac STS: 3.6 304hp 18/26
Cadillac CTS: 3.6 304hp 18/26
Lexus GS 350: 3.5 V6 303hp 19/27
BMW 535i: 3.0 I6 300hp 17/26
Hyundai Genesis V6: 3.8L V6 290hp 18/27
Hyundai Genesis V8: 4.6L V8 375hp 17/25
Lincoln MKS (FWD): 3.7L V6 275hp 17/24

[Xenon]

Originally Posted by syr74

You do realize that the GTDi V6 version will almost certainly get better fuel economy than the base car...right? It might also be worth mentioning that the MKS is larger than any car in that group by some margin. To put that into perspective, the MKS is longer overall than the long wheelbase Lexus LS and is about an inch shorter overall than the current Audi A8L. For reference that means you have to leapfrog the Lexus GS by two models in order to get a car this big. Thus it may compete with the cars listed below in terms of price, but in terms of overall size and interior room there is no comparison.

I'm no MKS devotee by any stretch, I don't think the overall package could be more wrong for Lincoln, but there is way too much disinformation floating around about this car.

MKS has a diesel available in it now?
And if you are referring to the Twinforce engine...no it wont.

[Xenon]

Originally Posted by blank disk

Not enough features you say?
Killer large sunroof.
heated/cooled seats in both rows.
hidden keypad (very cool)
starter button.
killer navigation with search
Satellite radio
sync
rotating HID's
AWD
Probably best safety features and ratings
class leading roominess

just off the top of my head. But what is missing that others have in that price range?

You misread my post. What I was getting at is what feature is going to convince someone to buy a MKS over a 5 series, E class, A6, CTS or even a Hyundai Genesis?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Xenon

MKS has a diesel available in it now?
And if you are referring to the Twinforce engine...no it wont.

Attempts at clever comments work better when you aren't wrong. There is going to be nothing at all uncommon about GTDi engines knocking down superior fuel economy compared to their n/a cousins under the right conditions. Example?

The Pontiac Solstice gets 19/24 city/hwy with the naturally aspirated four under the hood but manages to knock down 19/26 city/hwy with the turbocharged version under the hood. A miracle you say? Nope, just superior efficiency.

[Bravada]

You mean the 9K preordered is no indication of it's impending success?

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Sorry, couldn't help

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by syr74

It might also be worth mentioning that the MKS is larger than any car in that group by some margin.

Good point. The MKS is dramatically larger outside than every car in the group.

It's dramatically larger inside than every car in the group except the Hyundai Genesis. The Genesis is 8 inches shorter and 1 or 2 inches narrower outside than the MKS, but the Genesis interior offers (on paper) more total leg room, and is within 1 inch of the MKS in every other interior dimension.

The MKS trunk is almost four cubic feet larger, so that's a noticeable difference. But at 16 cubic feet, the Genesis' trunk isn't exactly tiny.

[EDIT] I'm still astonished that Hyundai managed to make the Azera competitive for cabin space despite relatively small exterior dimensions for a large car, and the Genesis positively enormous for cabin space despite relatively small exterior dimensions. Contrast that with GM, where the Malibu and Impala, for example, are larger outside than the Sonata and Genesis, respectively, with far less interior room.

[Astra RL]

Originally Posted by blank disk

It's called sarcasm.
As if every other luxury brand does not use letters too.
There is a reason they do this, so that pronounce the brand, not the vehicle. For example, everyone will refer to it as a Lincoln MKS rather than a continental or some other name.

I was talking about ausrutheford's plan that includes 26 models mka-mkz.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by EldoFan

This thing positively spanks the Lucerne.

The MKS is more expensive than the Lucerne, so it should. But it is fair to say that GM does not have a car that competes well with this Lincoln. My question is: does it matter? Is the market for such cars very big anymore?