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    Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    We've heard the rumors and should expect an announcement/unveiling in the next few months.

    The rumor is the C-segment car was killed but the CUV lives on. I think this is a big mistake, especially with the launch of the ILX.

    I do think there's a market for a Lincoln compact sedan that uses the 1.6L EcoBoost used in the Fusion as standard equipment for a Lincolnized Focus, with the 2.0L as the upscale engine and exclusive AWD.

    Is there any chance Ford could surprise us with such a car? The current Focus is underpowered for buyers looking for some added "go" and the ST lacks an automatic and has a "boy racer" look to it. Plus, launching with the 1.6L EB gives it a huge advantage in fuel economy over the Verano (fuel economy) and ILX (power).

    Here's hoping Ford isn't dropping the ball.

    EDIT: Unless Lincoln is secretly working on a new Mustang-platform small sedan. Then all is forgiven and it's time to salivate.
    Last edited by Ammo; 11-20-2012 at 10:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    I want an ATS killing Lincoln. Now. And I love Cadillac.
    Me too. But all clues indicate that it won't happen. If Lincoln doesn't want rwd for whatever the reason at least make a very sophisticated awd like Audi and make it standard in every vehicle mkz size and up. If Audi could why can't Lincoln? Or better yet if the ford brand could do it why not Lincoln.

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    If the new MKZ doesn't help Lincoln, Ford will probably cut it from life support. That's why they're being so slow with the next products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    Lincoln needs some help...
    That's an understatement.

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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    I want an ATS killing Lincoln. Now. And I love Cadillac.
    ATS? Lincoln would be lucky to beat the Verano.

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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    I keep hearing these rumors hear that Lincoln is introducing a compact concept at the LA Autoshow this year...not sure how substantiated it is but we'll definitely know next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrunkedRL View Post
    I keep hearing these rumors hear that Lincoln is introducing a compact concept at the LA Autoshow this year...not sure how substantiated it is but we'll definitely know next week.
    I recently read an article that stated it would be shown in Detroit. Who knows.

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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    Any rumors on when it (or a close concept) will debut? LAIAS was put forward quietly a couple of months ago, but then nothing.

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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    The Acura ILX has been a huge failure so far...
    Because it's a tarted up Civic with the Civic engine and transmission. Underpowered for a luxury car.

    If the ILX had the base Accord engine it might be a different story. There IS a market for the "premium compact" below the 3-Series, G, A4, etc.

    Here's the problem with the current "premium compact" market:
    1) Verano isn't sporty enough and looks like it was designed for seniors, not the youth market. Also, fuel economy lacks
    2) ILX, despite having the fuel economy, is down on power and is little more than a fully loaded Civic.
    3) A4, 3-Series, ATS, G-Series, etc. are too pricey. (truth be told, it's a shame the TSX is going away because that's a good price point)
    4) Focus (if you can call it a premium compact) is down on power unless you get the ST which only comes in manual hatchback form.

    There's a void in the luxury market for Millennials. Millennials don't have the spending power of our 80's counterparts (the ones who feasted off of Reaganomics) yet we still have the aspirational tastes in autos. (Also, around that time Lexus, Infiniti and Acura joined the market by undercutting prices to get luxury. We don't exactly have a Lexus or Acura today to buy an emerging luxury brand)
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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    well I waited posting in case I just was grumpy this morning...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
    We've heard the rumors...

    Is there any chance Ford could surprise us...

    EDIT: Unless Lincoln is secretly working on a new Mustang-platform small sedan. THEN all is forgiven and it's time to salivate.
    it might be time-change jetlag or seasonal-affect-disorder
    or low blood sugar
    OR what I heard recently about the "MKC"
    but
    lately I've been thinking that Lincoln has just become a "hobby" for FLincMoCo

    we'll see the "MKC" soon, probably a not-quite-production version at NAIAS,
    tho it won't arrive for almost a year yet
    and
    I've gotten a 'vibe' that a new Aviator (probably Explorer based) could arrive first of any "CD4+3" vehicles (within 2 years )
    and
    tho I STILL believe a Mustang-co-platformed car IS in the works...
    ...unLess Lincoln is allowed(forced?) to vamp** the whole lineup to be a proper "setting for a Rwd jewel";
    imho Lincoln will still be a half-assed Brand


    ** can't say "revamped" until their act has been gotten(really)together at least once in living memory

    +
    imho the barely mentioned "Bespoke Program" could help (Did they really SAY "bespoke"?) but I can't figure out what they're waiting for?



    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    I agree. Lincoln needs some help...
    Lincoln's Fordish Masters need a cattle prod up theirs


    Quote Originally Posted by nruggiero View Post
    If the new MKZ doesn't help Lincoln, Ford will probably cut it from life support. That's why they're being so slow with the next products.
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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    The Acura ILX has been a huge failure so far...
    The ILX looks like its taking sales away from the TSX. For example...
    October 2011 2012
    TSX 2977 1577
    ILX 0 1529

    I'm guessing that's not what they wanted to do...but I'm not even sure what they're trying to do with the ILX versus the TSX.

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    Re: Lincoln C-Segment Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
    We've heard the rumors and should expect an announcement/unveiling in the next few months.
    Who is "we"?

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