[FORD]: NEW Scorpion V8 Diesel Information (post 63 - prelim power numbers)

[igor]

Ford developing new diesel engine, quickly

Posted Mar 27th 2007 8:24AM by Dan Roth
Filed under: Trucks/Pickups, Plants/Manufacturing, Ford


After recent disagreements with engine supplier Navistar, as well as dealing with Super Dutys that perform roman candle impressions, Ford is accelerating development of a new diesel engine for its burliest of pickups. Ford and Navistar played chicken earlier this year over warranty costs for the older 6-liter Powerstroke V8. That engine had a high number of issues that led to Ford covering repair costs. Ford in turn sued Navistar, the engine supplier, and held back payments for the new 6.4-liter Powerstroke in an effort to recoup some of their expense. Navistar decided they'd have none of it, and shut down engine production, slowing Super Duty production until a court order got the engines flowing again.

This acrimony has spurred Ford to come up with an alternative to Navistar engines in one of its most pivotal vehicles. The diesel and its muscle-bound tow rating attract plenty of buyers, and the Super Duty is at the top of the Ford Truck food chain, so problems here look bad. If your work truck doesn't work, you're in trouble. Ford can't afford to lose the profits from the Super Duty, nor can it accept tarnishing the image of the iconic F-Series trucks, so the Dearborn team is on it in the interest of exorcising Navistar powerplants from the engine bay and keeping that customer cash flowing.

[Source: AutoObserver]

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Finally ...

about 3 years too late.

Igor

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[Cabana Boy]

My guess is that it is well into development. I have been hearing rumours for like 2 years now.

[Cabana Boy]

So if I recall, the rift between Ford and Navistar began when Navistar fell far short of one of it's Diesel V6 engines development specifications (4.5L, if memory serves correctly) in both power and far over in weight and cost. This caused Ford to pull the plug on the whole program, and divorce court was a certainty after they haggled over who should eat the biggest write-off. This goes back like 6 years. I bet Ford saw this coming with the last 6.0L problems and has been busy as a beaver with a hushed Diesel in the works, but could not say so because Navistar was still invited in the house for dinner. Makes for awkward table conversation. Now, all hell broke loose.

[igor]

The "Rumors" you have been ghearing are of the new 4.4l V8 Turbo Diesel that will go into the F150 - this is news of developing a 6.4l replacement for the super duty.


PS: the 4.4l V8 Diesel will debut later this year or at NIAS this winter.

Igor

[Cabana Boy]

Originally Posted by igor

The "Rumors" you have been ghearing are of the new 4.4l V8 Turbo Diesel that will go into the F150 - this is news of developing a 6.4l replacement for the super duty.


PS: the 4.4l V8 Diesel will debut later this year or at NIAS this winter.

Igor
Igor

Nope!!! Not true.
I remember hearing about a Navistar cancelled V6 engine that was gonna find it's way into F-150 and Expedition, like 6 years ago. Totally different than the 4.4L. I think Navistar tried to sue Ford over the debacle, but lost cause they did not meet their criteria.

[igor]

Originally Posted by Cabana Boy

Nope!!! Not true.
I remember hearing about a Navistar cancelled V6 engine that was gonna find it's way into F-150 and Expedition, like 6 years ago. Totally different than the 4.4L. I think Navistar tried to sue Ford over the debacle, but lost cause they did not meet their criteria.

oh .. yes there was V6 .. it was too harsh etc etc .. Navi boilt a plant for it and Ford canned it.

What I was saing was that until now there has been no rumors of Super Duty V8 diesel being developed in house - just of the 4.4l V8 based on the LandRover diesel.

Igor

[igor]

First details seems to point ot 6.7l displacement and Duramax beating HP and Torque... but of course - all project start with "class leading" in the goals - so we will have to wait a bit

no actual info on timeline, but some specualtion would say that they can have a running prototype by the end of this year, and have reliability and tuning done by the end of the next ...

Igor

[doh]

Originally Posted by igor

oh .. yes there was V6 .. it was too harsh etc etc .. Navi boilt a plant for it and Ford canned it.

What I was saing was that until now there has been no rumors of Super Duty V8 diesel being developed in house - just of the 4.4l V8 based on the LandRover diesel.

Igor

Not really canned it, but weight did restrict it out of the F 150, Ford did go ahead and use it in thier LCF

[igor]

Originally Posted by doh

Not really canned it, but weight did restrict it out of the F 150, Ford did go ahead and use it in thier LCF

well LCF isa full International truck .. Fordjust badges tiny portion of them as Fords .. most LCF's are sold as Internationals.

IIRC.

Igor

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Damnit. The 6.4L was suposed to be a good engine. Ahh Screw it.

Lets bring back the 7.3L!

[MelvinJ]

Ford isn't developing this themselves, are they? Any word on who they will partner with?

[igor]

Originally Posted by FordRules

Damnit. The 6.4L was suposed to be a good engine. Ahh Screw it.

Lets bring back the 7.3L!

the 7.3l could not pass emissions IIRC.

Igor

[igor]

Originally Posted by MelvinJ

Ford isn't developing this themselves, are they? Any word on who they will partner with?

They might base it on the Ford/PSA (Peugeot/Ctiroen) LION program which brought us the 4.4l V8 going to the F150.

otherwise it will be completely in-house.

Igor

[Cabana Boy]

Given the choice of the relatively crude, noisy and not so powerful old 7.3L, or the 6.4L with some high-tech related issues that need to be addressed - my choice is clear.

[igor]

^^The issues with the 6.4l were all software based .. FOrd found a solution in a more cautious controll programming that will more closely monitor temperature in the particulate filter of the deisel and if it raises too much, it will reduce the power of the engine.

I still think they need new diesel that is not connected ot Navistar.

Igor