Ford 6.2L Official numbers are out

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by Extreme4x4

Ford has always had a different tune for their car and truck engines.

400hp for Mustang..................... 360hp for trucks.

I've never liked that system, offer your best product across the board. It tells me the trucks' drivetrains are weaker than the Mustang's, not the right message.

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

I've never liked that system, offer your best product across the board. It tells me the trucks' drivetrains are weaker than the Mustang's, not the right message.

Don't look at it that way, look at it as the trucks need more low-rpm torque since they are heavier.

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

I've never liked that system, offer your best product across the board. It tells me the trucks' drivetrains are weaker than the Mustang's, not the right message.

No... it says Ford has different intentions for truck engines. They are tuned for more low end torque, and for long-term durability. A 360hp engine will last longer than a 400hp out of the same block.

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by Slideways

Don't look at it that way, look at it as the trucks need more low-rpm torque since they are heavier.

Ford could accomplish the same thing with gearing but I get what you guys are saying. I just think 400hp sounds so much better than 360hp.

[Extreme4x4]

The reality is, Ford doesn't care what it sounds like. They want the engines to perform, and last, in the manner that they want them to.

The V10 in my Superduty may not have big flashy numbers. However, how it works, in a truck, under extreme duty is what makes it a great truck engine.

The Hemi, on the other hand, has been universally panned, as a truck engine. It has big flashy numbers, but actual users................ who have actually used other trucks also.............. know that those big flashy numbers do not mean alot, when the truck is actually used like a truck.

[Power Kid]

GM 6.0L is dead in 2010 1500's.
6.2l is more widely available. (max tow pkg)

If rwd 3.5 EB has 400/400 and it already outperforming the gm 6.2L(my speculation) the Ford 6.2 may only be required for max tow pkg and special runs ?

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by Extreme4x4

The reality is, Ford doesn't care what it sounds like. They want the engines to perform, and last, in the manner that they want them to.

The V10 in my Superduty may not have big flashy numbers. However, how it works, in a truck, under extreme duty is what makes it a great truck engine.

The Hemi, on the other hand, has been universally panned, as a truck engine. It has big flashy numbers, but actual users................ who have actually used other trucks also.............. know that those big flashy numbers do not mean alot, when the truck is actually used like a truck.

I agree with you, but I'll hold out judgement on the new 5.7L that is on the 09+ Rams. The 345 hp version was a big letdown in terms or power to the wheels and mileage. The newer engine seems much better.

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by Extreme4x4

The reality is, Ford doesn't care what it sounds like. They want the engines to perform, and last, in the manner that they want them to.

The V10 in my Superduty may not have big flashy numbers. However, how it works, in a truck, under extreme duty is what makes it a great truck engine.

The Hemi, on the other hand, has been universally panned, as a truck engine. It has big flashy numbers, but actual users................ who have actually used other trucks also.............. know that those big flashy numbers do not mean alot, when the truck is actually used like a truck.

The Ford V8 and V10 and the 5.7L Hemi have always been way overrated on paper, neither engine holds a candle to the 5.3L, 6.0L, and 6.2L engines from GM or the 5.7L from Toyota in reality. That's why it kind of surprises me Ford isn't offering the 5.0L with the "flashy" numbers for the trucks.

[XCR440SP]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

The Ford V8 and V10 and the 5.7L Hemi have always been way overrated on paper, neither engine holds a candle to the 5.3L, 6.0L, and 6.2L engines from GM or the 5.7L from Toyota in reality. That's why it kind of surprises me Ford isn't offering the 5.0L with the "flashy" numbers for the trucks.

There's one I haven't heard from anyone thats towed with both. The 5.3 series is the most hated truck engine I've had from anyone that tows and uses a truck as a "truck". The high RPM nature of them makes them very difficult to tow with, especially with livestock where you don't want the jerkyness the narrow powerband offers. Generally the Fords are well liked (especially the V10) by those that tow regularly because of the very linear power band that makes towing easier and smoother. This curve is also why many complain about power on these engines. Without the high RPM surge that the Vortec series (and the IForce) deliver you don't get the same sensation of power. Ask many famers around here and they far rather tow with a 350 Vortec than a 5.3L due to the torque and power curve. The Vortec is far more fun to drive empty, however.

One question to ask yourself, if the 5.3L is such a great towing engine, why can't you get one in a 3/4 ton Chevy?

[Extreme4x4]

Ding !!!!! Winner.

In heavy towing, the 6.0 is known as a torqueless wonder also. The 6.2 I will not comment on, as I have not seen it mentioned as much.

To hold up the 6.0 or the 6.2 as better work engines than the 6.8L V10, means that you just have not spent much time on forums where people actually use their trucks, and use them hard (not as street trucks). This includes regular, and systematic abuse, on a regular basis. That is what a truck is built for.

[Buick61]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

The Ford V8 and V10 and the 5.7L Hemi have always been way overrated on paper, neither engine holds a candle to the 5.3L, 6.0L, and 6.2L engines from GM or the 5.7L from Toyota in reality. That's why it kind of surprises me Ford isn't offering the 5.0L with the "flashy" numbers for the trucks.

The engines aren't overrated. It's the transmissions and "torque management" that are hurting actual performance.

[Power Kid]

The 5.3L will pull almost as much as a 5.4L, IF you can stand the high rpms all day long. Reminds me of a Honda engine with out the high rpm smoothness. Makes power, but have to rev the hell out of it to make it appear.
I think the 07+ 6.0L more than held its own in the 1500s. (Vortec Max pkg) The old one did not.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Buick61

SO. This is just going in the Raptor and the Super Duties? That's what I've been able to glean from the press releases.

The F150 still won't have a motor to go against either the widely available 390hp/410lb-ft 5.7L Hemi in the Ram or the very limited availability 403hp/417lb-ft 6.2L Vortec V8 in the Silverado (2wd LTZ Crew Cabs only (like, why even offer it if it's that restricted?). Even the 367hp/375lb-ft 6.0L Vortec outguns the best F-150 mill.

Oh well, the lack of a decent motor hasn't really hurt sales. I suppose Ford buyers just don't care.

Not entirely accurate. 6.2L will be available in the Harley Hauler at some point, and other high trim level trucks....like the Platinum....are expected to get the engine as well. Power output may not be exactly what it is in the Raptor, but it should be close.

Overall the 6.2L Ford should be noticeably less restricted than the GM piece, but nowhere near as common as the Hemi, although Ford will have other options intended to deal more directly with the Hemi.

[Michael_S]

Originally Posted by Power Kid

I think the 07+ 6.0L more than held its own in the 1500s. (Vortec Max pkg) The old one did not.

I've been reading the opposite, that the 2007+ 6.0 liter V8 has been nerfed by torque management software.

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by XCR440SP

The Vortec is far more fun to drive empty, however.

One question to ask yourself, if the 5.3L is such a great towing engine, why can't you get one in a 3/4 ton Chevy?

I've never had a problem towing or hauling anything with my 5.3L but that's not really what I was concentrating on either. I'm more into performance oriented trucks and mild offroading than towing and in my experience the GM 5.3L murders the Ford 5.4L and requires some mods to beat the Hemi 5.7L. The GM 6.0L destroys the Ford 6.8L V10 in daily driving and the GM 6.2L is slightly quicker than the Tundra 5.7L. As an enthusiast, I can't wait to see what the new Ford engines can do (purely because I want to see how GM responds).