350 hp V-6 Mustang???

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I read in Motor Trend this month that Ford was considering putting a 350hp V-6 in the Mustang. This would be one option. It will not replace the V8. But they claimed this HP rating is short of the 415hp the motor is capable of making. I looked for the article online and didn't find it. But I did find this on the Motor Trend Website:

But here's the shock news: We hear there is a faction at Ford seriously contemplating fitting the new twin turbo EcoBoost V-6 to the 2010 Mustang. As they try to figure out how to meet 35mpg CAFE by 2020, Ford engineers are wondering whether the V-8 has a long term future. The EcoBoost engine, which is currently scheduled to debut in a performance version of the Fusion, could be the more fuel efficient alternative for Mustang in the long term. Depending on spec, the EcoBoost is capable of up to at least 415hp, and has the torque to match a regular V-8.

[BigAls87Z28]

Or they could just make a better V8...like GM.

[2b2]

imho the regular Mustang line up will 'soon' be
3.5v6
3.5 EcoBoost = ST
5.0v8 = GT
but other versions & engines will come in special editions
incldg the 400+hp v6 & 6.2 BOSS v8

[Ach]

I continue to be skeptical of the fuel economy benefits of a turbo V6 vs. a V8 when they are making the same power- especially when the naturally aspirated D35 is thirsty already (I know b/c I drive one every day).

Having said that, if Ford can keep the weight of the EcoBoost Mustang to 3400-3500 lbs., it should be competitive acceleration wise vs. the much heavier Camaro and Challenger.

[MN12Fan]

Are we sure what was actually said in Motor Trend? There's an article in the Sept. '08 issue on page 16 about the Fusion GT. The last sentence reads:

"Ford is looking at an EcoBoost I-4 for the Edge crossover; an EcoBoost V-6 Mustang with more power than the Mustang GT -- the first north-south application of the engine family -- is apparently on hold."

Of course, things that come out of Motor Trend ought to be taken with a grain of salt because, on the previous page, they're still convinced that the 6.2L Boss V8 is going to appear in the '10 Mustang. As impressive as this would be, no one else seems to be corroborating it and it's probably not in Ford's interest anyway with CAFE issues. As such it must be assumed that the 5.0L V8 is still the next major premium engine earmarked for the Mustang. Besides, with its noticeable weight advantage, a Mustang with a 5.0L V8 making horsepower in the high 300s ought to keep up with a Camaro or Challenger.

[big swede]

Originally Posted by Ach

I continue to be skeptical of the fuel economy benefits of a turbo V6 vs. a V8 when they are making the same power- especially when the naturally aspirated D35 is thirsty already (I know b/c I drive one every day).

Having said that, if Ford can keep the weight of the EcoBoost Mustang to 3400-3500 lbs., it should be competitive acceleration wise vs. the much heavier Camaro and Challenger.

I would agree with you 100% during real world driving. The problem is that even with the new, slightly more acurate EPA testing, the cars are driven like there is an egg between your foot and the gas pedal, always accelerating very slowly and never going over the speed limit all of which will favor a smaller cubic inch motor. In essence the manufacuteres are catering to the EPA.

I don't really have a problem with a Mustang getting a Turbo V6 as one of the options. Ford is smartly investing heavily in DSG type gearboxes and we all know how turbos love automatics. A turbo 6 and a 6-8 speed DSG will get good mileage while driving to and from work and will make great power to make sure the Mustang remains a fun to drive car.

I'm pretty sure if GM would put a turbocharger on the 3.6 and shove it into a RWD platform there would be plenty of us jumping for joy.

[blank disk]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Or they could just make a better V8...like GM.

You mean the 575HP KR stang is not very powerful?
Last I looked it weighed less than an SS too.

[big swede]

Originally Posted by blank disk

You mean the 575HP KR stang is not very powerful?
Last I looked it weighed less than an SS too.

Oh no!! Now we have to go through the yeah it's supercharged vs yeah it has more cubes argument.

[red_rider]

Originally Posted by blank disk

You mean the 575HP KR stang is not very powerful?
Last I looked it weighed less than an SS too.

The whole point was not just to make raw power, but to do it without killing mpg, thus the whole argument of this thread which was about the TT V6. And are you talking about the weight of the GT500 KR itself (3900 lbs withOUT an IRS --> http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...s/4261388.html) or the piggy OHC mod motor that can't even fit under the hood without a hood bulge?
And then there's that whole mpg argument left, not exactly the Mod's strong suit compared to an LS motor.

[igor]

265hp 3.6l V6
380-415 hp TT 3.6l V6
400hp 5.0l V8
300hp 2.0l I4

but it will not launch with all of these.

Igor

[igor]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Or they could just make a better V8...like GM.

5.0l DOHC TIVCT V8 with 400hp is no good enough? What will be the V8 mileage of the Camaro? With the crappy 4.6l the Mustang gets 23mpg and Camaro meeting 26mpg with the ancient and even crappier 4.0l V6 ...

I do not think GM really raised the bar here.

igor

[red_rider]

Originally Posted by igor

5.0l DOHC TIVCT V8 with 400hp is no good enough? What will be the V8 mileage of the Camaro? With the crappy 4.6l the Mustang gets 23mpg and Camaro meeting 26mpg with the ancient and even crappier 4.0l V6 ...

I do not think GM really raised the bar here.

igor

In each of the mpg brackets you just mentioned, the GM motor has 90 and 120 hp more. GM could put the ancient 3800 series v6 in the camaro, tune it to 210 hp and 240 lb-ft (just like the Ford 4.0), get the same or better mpg as the mustang's motor while being a much smaller mass. Don't forget the LS1 camaros that got mid to high 20's mpg on the highway and compare that to comparably powered mustangs of the time. And don't forget that many LS v8's weigh little to no more than a DOHC v6.

Pretty sure that's raising the bar.

[igor]

Originally Posted by red_rider

In each of the mpg brackets you just mentioned, the GM motor has 90 and 120 hp more. GM could put the ancient 3800 series v6 in the camaro, tune it to 210 hp and 240 lb-ft (just like the Ford 4.0), get the same or better mpg as the mustang's motor while being a much smaller mass. Don't forget the LS1 camaros that got mid to high 20's mpg on the highway and compare that to comparably powered mustangs of the time. And don't forget that many LS v8's weigh little to no more than a DOHC v6.

Pretty sure that's raising the bar.

did you see my post above hte one you posted? I am continually impressed by GM's engines - especially LS - but I will not give Camaro any credit because in the 80 and 90 it did this or that.

the 2010 Mustang will be revealed in November and on sale in February. It is not 100% confirmed yet whether all the engines will be in place at launch, but the engines planned are well withing shooting distance of GM
265hp V6 and 400hp V8 and with MPG that NOW with angient engines meets the Camaro, the new one is well positioned to beat the Camaro by a good margin.

That said - Mustang is still only speculated and we will not have stuff confirmed until November - I guess we will know more then.

But I feel GM did not do 100% of its homework with the Camaro - it is too heavy, and while the engines are sweet (300hp V6 oh yeah!), but with the weight, this advantage will be erased on the street/track and at the pump.

Igor

[ausrutherford]

Originally Posted by igor

265hp 3.6l V6
380-415 hp TT 3.6l V6
400hp 5.0l V8
300hp 2.0l I4

but it will not launch with all of these.

Igor

Since when is Ford going to make a 3.6 V6, is this from the 3.5 or did you just get it mixed up with GM.

Also where is the GT500 engine, we have seen the mules around with the cobra on them.

[igor]

Originally Posted by ausrutherford

Since when is Ford going to make a 3.6 V6, is this from the 3.5 or did you just get it mixed up with GM.

Also where is the GT500 engine, we have seen the mules around with the cobra on them.

1) 3.6l is a slip of a finger
2) GT500 engine: TwinTurbo TiVCT DOHC DI 5.0l V8

Igor