Your ideal Chevy Lineup...

[jmlee0695]

also give chevy a lamda ute,the trax with a 1.4,and groove 1.4 and 1.0

[jmlee0695]

Beat 10k-12k
Gamma II mini-car 3/5 door hatch
1.0 3cyl 60hp
Main Competitor-Toyota iq,Smart fortwo

Aveo 12.5k-14k
Gamma II sedan,3/5 door hatch
1.4 4 cyl 110 hp
Main competitor-Toyota Yaris,Honda Fit,Ford Fiesta

Cobalt 19k-23k
Delta II 5 door hatch
1.4 4 cyl 110 hp BAS II
70mpg
Main Competitor- Honda Insight,Toyota Prius

Cruze 17k-25k
Delta II sedan,coupe,3/5 door hatch
LS- 1.4 turbo 150hp
LT- 1.4 turbo 150hp
LTZ- 1.8 turbo 175 hp
SS- 2.0 turbo 275hp
Hybird- 1.4 turbo 140 hp BAS II
Main Competitor- Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Mazda 3,Nissan Sentra,etc

Malibu 23k-29k
Epsillon II LWB sedan,coupe,wagon
LS- 1.4 turbo 150hp
LT- 1.8 turbo 175 hp
LTZ-3.0 di v6 250hp
SS- 3.6 di v6 310 hp
Hybrid- 1.4 turbo BAS II
Main Competitor- Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion

Impala 25k-35k
Epsillon II LWB Sedan
LS- 2.3 4 cyl 210 hp
LT1- 2.0 turbo 230hp
LT2- 3.0 di v6 250hp
LTZ- 3.6 di v6 310 hp
Hybrid- 2.3 210 hp 2-mode
SS- 3.6 di turbo v6 400 hp
Main Competitor- Ford Taurus, Nissan Maxima

Volt 40k-45k
1.4 110 hp E-FLEX

Camaro 23k-50k
Alpha coupe,convt
LS- 2.0 turbo 4 cyl 275hp
LT1- 3.6 di v6 310 hp
LT2- 3.6 di v6 310 hp
SS- 6.2 v8 420hp
Z28- 6.2 LSA V8 560hp
Main Competitor- Ford Mustang,Dodge Challenger,Hyundai Genesis Coupe

Corvette 55k-120k
Omega coupe,convt
LT- LS3 6.2 420hp
Z51- LS7 505 hp v8
Z06- LSA 550 hp v8
ZR1- LS9 v8 650 hp


HHR 17k-25k
Gamma II CUV
LS- 1.4 turbo 150 hp
LT- 1.8 turbo 175 hp
LTZ- 2.0 turbo 220hp
Hybrid- 1.4 turbo BAS II
Main Competitor- Scion Xb, Nissan Rogue

Tracker 20k-27k
Delta II CUV
LS- 1.4 turbo 150hp
LT- 2.0 turbo 200hp
LTZ- 2.0 turbo 220 hp
Main Competitor-Ford Escape, Honda CR-V

Equinox 23k-31k
Theta II CUV
LS/LT1- 2.3 4cyl 210 hp
LT2-2.3 4cyl 210 hp/ 3.0 di v6 260hp
SS-3.6 di v6 310 hp
Main Competitor-Ford Edge, Nissan Murano, Toyota RAV4

Traverse 28.5k-42k
Lambda CUV
LS/LT1/LT2- 3.0 di v6 280hp
LT2/LTZ- 3.6 di v6 310 hp
Main Competitor- Ford Flex, Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander

Tahoe 36.5k-55k
C3XX SUV
4.5 v8 340 hp
4.5 diesel v8 320 hp
6.2 v8 430 hp
Main Competitor- Toyota Sequoia, Ford Expedition, Nissan Armada

Suburban 40k-65k
C3XX Extended SUV
4.5 v8 340 hp
4.5 diesel v8 320hp
6.2 v8 430 hp
2500HD-
6.2 v8 430 hp
6.6 Duramax 400hp
Main Competitor- Ford Expedition EL



Colorado 16k-30k
GMT500 reg.cab, ext.cab, crew cab
2.3 4 cyl 220 hp
2.0 diesel 4 cyl 150hp
2.9 diesel v6 260 hp
3.0 v6 di 260 hp
3.6 di v6 310 hp
BAS II Availible on all models
Main Competitor- Ford Ranger, Toyota Tacoma, Dodge Dakota,etc.

Silverado 18k-60k
C3XX reg.cab, ext. cab, crew cab, king cab
2.9 diesel v6 260 hp
3.0 di v6 260hp
3.6 di v6 310hp
4.5 v8 340hp
4.5 duramax v8 320hp
6.2 v8 430 hp
2500, 3500
6.2 v8 430 hp
6.6 Duramax 400hp
Main Competitors- Dodge Ram, Ford F-Series, Toyota Tundra, Nissan Titan,etc

[oklapike]

An Introduction

This ideal line up is based on a few assumptions:
First assumption, GM would eventually trim its car/CUV model line (selling/killing Pontiac and Saturn) which would free up a place for a full-size RWD Chevy sedan (Zeta II Impala), mid-size RWD coupe (Alpha Chevelle), and a smaller mid-size RWD roadster (Alpha Stingray).
Second assumption, GM could streamline full-size truck/SUV model line, taken for the most part from the ideas expressed here: GMC Should Die… And be Reborn. Tahoe, Suburban and Avalanche become GMC exclusive models, along with full-size vans and commercial products. Leaving Chevy with Equinox, Traverse, Colorado, and low-end Silverado models.
Finally, concerning the Chevelle, it would share wheelbase size with the Malibu and ride on Alpha whereas Malibu would ride on Epsilon II (similar to the duality postulated between a future Impala and Caprice, it makes more sense to me to do this on a midsize platform, rather than fullsize). Chevelle would be coupe only and have sportier styling, with the powertrains and platform to back it up. Malibu would be largely unchanged, just some styling changes to bring it slightly more in line with Chevelle.

Note: If I screwed up with matching transmissions to vehicles (based on engine size and/or platform) feel free to let me know, so I can fix it.


Cars/CUVs


Aveo (Gamma platform)¹

LS: 1.4L I4 90 hp/92 ft-lbs
1LT, 2LT: 1.6L DI I4 120 hp/115 ft-lbs
6T40 automatic transmission


Cruze (Delta II platform)¹

LS, 1LT, 2LT: 1.4L DI turbo I4 150 hp/150 ft-lbs
LTZ: 2.2L I4 155 hp/150 ft-lbs
SS: 2.0L DI turbo I4 270 hp/265 ft-lbs
6T40 automatic transmission
F35 manual transmission (SS only)


Volt (Delta II platform)

1.4L I4 (powers generator)
120 kW (160 HP) electric motor


Malibu (Epsilon II platform [same wheelbase as Chevelle])¹

LS: 2.4L I4 169 hp/160 ft-lbs
1LT, 2LT: 3.0L DI V6 254 hp/252 ft-lbs
LTZ: 3.6L DI V6 281 hp/266 ft-lbs
6T70 automatic transmission


Impala (Zeta II platform)¹

LS, 1LT: 3.0L DI V6 254 hp/252 ft-lbs
2LT, LTZ: 3.8L DI V6 305 hp/285 ft-lbs
SS: 4.8L DI V8 340 hp/334 ft-lbs
6L50 automatic transmission
6L80 automatic transmission (SS only)
NVG 3500 manual transmission (SS only)


Stingray (SWB Alpha platform)

Coupe: 2.0L DI turbo 270 hp/265 ft-lbs
SS: 3.6L DI V6 304 hp/274 ft-lbs
5L40-E automatic transmission
AY6 manual transmission (available coupe, standard SS)


Chevelle: (Alpha platform [same wheelbase as Malibu])

Coupe: 3.6L DI V6 304 hp/274 ft-lbs
SS: 6.0L V8 364 hp/385 ft-lbs
Z16: 6.0L V8 485 hp/465 ft-lbs
6L80 automatic transmission
Tremec T56 manual transmission (available SS, standard Z16)


Camaro (Zeta II platform)

LS, 1LT, 2LT: 3.8L DI V6 305 hp/285 ft-lbs
SS(auto): 6.2L V8 400 hp/395 ft-lbs
SS(man): 6.2L V8 422 hp/412 ft-lbs
Z28: 6.2L V8 550 hp/551 ft-lbs
6L80 automatic transmission
Tremec T56 manual transmission (SS and Z28)


Corvette (Y platform)

Coupe: 6.2L V8 430 hp/424 ft-lbsº
Z06: 7.0L V8 505 hp/470 ft-lbs
ZR1: 6.2L V8 638 hp/604 ft-lbs
6L90 automatic transmission
TR-6060 manual transmission (available coupe, standard Z06 and ZR1)
º 436 hp/428 ft-lbs w/ exhaust package


Equinox (Theta II platform)¹

LS, 1LT: 2.4L DI I4 210 hp/185 ft-lbs
2LT, LTZ: 3.0L DI V6 254 hp/252 ft-lbs
6T45 automatic transmission


Traverse (Lambda platform)¹

LS, 1LT, 2LT: 3.6L DI V6 281 hp/266 ft-lbs
LTZ: 3.6L DI v6 288 hp/270 ft-lbs
6T45 automatic transmission


Trucks


Colorado (GMT-355 platform)¹

WT: Vortec 3.7L I5 248 hp/248 ft-lbs
LS: Vortec 2.9L I4 195 hp/205 ft-lbs
1LT: Vortec 4.2L I6 292 hp/280 ft-lbs (optional Vortec 4.8L)
6L50 automatic transmission (optional 6L80 automatic transmission)
AR-5 manual transmission


Silverado 1500 (C3XX platform)¹

WT: Duramax 4.5L 310 hp/520 ft-lbs
LS: Vortec 4.8L V8 300 hp/310 ft-lbs (optional Vortec 5.3L, Duramax 4.5L)
1LT: Vortec 5.3L V8 320 hp/340 ft-lbs (optional Duramax 4.5L)
6L80 automatic transmission
NVG 3500 manual transmission

¹ Hybrid options available

Car/CUV Engines:

LE2: 1.4L I4 90 hp/92 ft-lbs
LNV: 1.6L DI I4 120 hp/115 ft-lbs
LNE: 1.4L DI turbo I4 150 hp/150 ft-lbs
LNF: 2.0L DI turbo I4 270 hp/265 ft-lbs
LAP: 2.2L I4 155 hp/150 ft-lbs
LE5: 2.4L I4 169 hp/160 ft-lbs
LN5: 2.4L DI I4 210 hp/185 ft-lbs
LF1: 3.0L DI V6 254 hp/252 ft-lbs
LLT: 3.6L DI V6 281-288-304 hp/266-270-274 ft-lbs
LF4: 3.8L DI V6 305 hp/285 ft-lbs
LR1: 4.8L DI V8 340 hp/334 ft-lbs
L76: 6.0L V8 364 hp/385 ft-lbs
L7A: 6.0L V8 485 hp/465 ft-lbs*
LS3: 6.2L V8 422-430-436 hp/412-424-428 ft-lbs
L99: 6.2L V8 400 hp/395 ft-lbs
LSA: 6.2L V8 550 hp/551 ft-lbs*
LS9: 6.2L V8 638 hp/604 ft-lbs*
LS7: 7.0L V8 505 hp/470 ft-lbs

* Supercharged

Truck Engines:

LLV: Vortec 2.9L I4 195 hp/205 ft-lbs
LLR: Vortec 3.7L I5 248 hp/248 ft-lbs
LL8: Vortec 4.2L I6 292 hp/280 ft-lbs
LLW: Duramax 4.5L V8 310 hp/520 ft-lbs
LR4: Vortec 4.8L V8 300 hp/310 ft-lbs
LY5: Vortec 5.3L V8 320 hp/340 ft-lbs

[avro206]

why a weak-ass LU3: Vortec 4.3L V8 200 hp/265 ft-lbs?
GM has V6s and I6s that make far more power.

Just wondering...

[oklapike]

Originally Posted by avro206

why a weak-ass LU3: Vortec 4.3L V8 200 hp/265 ft-lbs?
GM has V6s and I6s that make far more power.

Just wondering...

I admit, I did kind of rush on the trucks (I'm more of a car guy). How's the smallblock diesel do for ya? From what little I understand, the torque curves and torque output (in general) of diesels make them far better suited to towing and heavy payloads? Isn't that kind of the whole point with a work truck?

[t-rex]

Here's our "Final" Chevrolet lineup:

Keep in mind this is the culmination of a "backtrack" move, where we revamped GM's lineup beginning in the mid-1990s, so there are many familiar Chevy products that simply would have never existed.

Under our scheme, GMC would move to Chevrolet showrooms, and Corvette would spun off as an independent brand. There'd be a lineup of "Heritage" models, which would be a separate franchise, offered free to dealers giving up Olds and Pontiac franchises, but would have to be purchased by others. The "Heritage-Corvette" lineup could be sold by the same dealer, but would require a separate showroom and sales department, though service could remain with the original dealer.

I haven't sorted out the engine palettes yet, so I'll note the product, its platform, assembly plant, and brief description for models we've "invented". Note I've "borrowed" several model names from other GM products as fillips, since I don't have the patience to pore through possible model names. Also note that over the years involved in the scheme, we've kept running nearly all of GM's shuttered assembly plants (part of our scheme involved keeping as many Americans as possible with jobs).

Chevrolet Beat
Gamma platform
Assembled in Brazil and/or India

Chevrolet Metro & Aveo
Gamma platform
Assembled at Ramos Arizpe
Metro is the hatchback; Aveo is the sedan

Chevrolet Cavalier
Delta platform
Assembled at Lordstown and Ste. Therese
Cobalt and Cruze would have kept Cavvy name

Chevrolet Monza
Delta platform
Assembled at Ste. Therese
Compact coupe battles Scion tC, Civic Coupe...

Chevrolet Volt
Delta platform
Assembled at Lordstown

Chevrolet Malibu
Epsilon platform
Assembled at Lansing Delta Township

Chevrolet Laguna
Epsilon platform
Assembled at Lansing Delta Township
Malibu-derived coupe to battle Accord, Altima coupes

Chevrolet Lumina
Epsilon platform (widened)
Assembled at Fairfax, Kansas
W-body Impala would have been a "Lumina"; this is its replacement

Chevrolet Acadia
Lambda platform
Assembled at Flint, Michigan (frmrly "Buick City")
GM's third-time's-the-charm Minivan hit

Chevrolet Signal
Gamma platform
Assembled at Moraine, Ohio
Baby Crossover based on G-PIX concept

Chevrolet Captiva
Theta platform
Assembled at Ingersoll, Ontario and Baltimore, Maryland

Chevrolet Traverse
Theta platform (widened)
Assembled at Ingersoll, Ontario
Midsize Crossover slots between Gamma and Lambda models

Chevrolet Tahoe
Lambda platform
Assembled at Flint, Michigan and Wentzville, Missouri
Tahoe moves to Lambda in '07

Chevrolet Recon
GMT350 platform
Assembled at Ypsilanti, Michigan
Wrangler-fighting Hummer HX concept goes to Chevy

Chevrolet Montana
Theta platform
Assembled at Linden, New Jersey
Mini-Avalanche

Chevrolet Cheyenne
Lambda platform
Assembled at Flint, Michigan
Basically a unibody Avalanche

Chevrolet Silverado
GMT900 platform
Assembled at Fort Wayne, Oshawa, and Pontiac
Half-ton only aimed at leisure/light-duty buyer; maybe has sportier styling than current dullard

"Heritage" Line

Chevrolet Cruze
Delta platform
Assembled at Framingham, Mass.
The HHR; I nicked the name from Holden cuz I thought it sounded better than "HHR"

Chevrolet Nomad & Bel Air
Delta platform
Assembled at Framingham, Mass.
Small wagon inspired by Kappa Nomad concept; Bel Air is 4-seat "roadster" to compete with VW Eos

Chevrolet Chevelle
Alpha platform
Assembled at Oshawa, Ontario
GM's long-awaited compact RWD sedan; Styled by Holden, and exported to Oz as the Torana, it's about the size of the outgoing Mazda6 or Subaru Legacy, that is, straddling the compact/midsize segments

Chevrolet Impala
Zeta platform
Assembled at Orion, Michigan
Big, sporty fastback sedan

Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Zeta platform
Assembled at Orion, Michigan
No cheezy, discoball 70s retro cues; this is a modern-day iteration of late 60s Chevelles

Chevrolet Caprice
Zeta platform
Holden-sourced big sedan familiar to Arabian GM buyers!

Chevrolet Camaro
Alpha platform
Assembled at Oshawa, Ontario
Built on lighter Alpha platform for optimum performance

Chevrolet LUV
Gamma platform
Assembled at Moraine, Ohio
Brazilian-designed, US-built minitrucklet derived from Signal baby crossover

Chevrolet El Camino
Zeta platform
Holden ship us some of their Utes

Chevrolet Blazer
GMT355 platform
Assembled at Shreveport, Louisiana
No Hummer brand in this scheme, so Hummer designs go elsewhere; This is the H3, but also available as sportier SWB 2-door variant

Corvette Solstice
Kappa platform
Assembled at Lansing Craft Centre
Yep, I've given the Solstice to 'vette. Why not? It looks like a baby 'vette! Perfect entry-level model for the brand

Corvette Anthem
Sigma platform
Assembled at Orion, Michigan
Production version of stunning Chevy SS concept

Corvette Stingray
Xi (Y-body) platform
Assembled at Bowling Green
The classic 'vette

Corvette Cien
Mu platform
Assembled at Bowling Green
GM get serious, and take its new Corvette brand to its heights with this world-class mid-engined model.

GMC line:

GMC Suburban & Suburban XL
GMT900 platform
Assembled at Arlington and Janesville
Current Tahoe & Suburban, but with GMC grille in lieu of Chevy's

GMC Denali & Denali XL
GMT900 platform
Assembled at Arlington
Current Yukon & Yukon XL Denalis

GMC Denali XT
GMT900 platform
Assembled at Arlington
Current Avalanche with Yukon Denali front clip

GMC Colorado
GMT355 platform
Assembled at Shreveport
Would have gone to GMC from day one, with Chevy getting unibody Montana

GMC Sierra
GMT900 platform
Assembled at Fort Wayne, Oshawa Truck, and Pontiac
Since it's sold alongside the half-ton-only Silvy in showrooms, the Sierra becomes the heavier-duty model; GM effectively ape Ford's practice of splitting the F150 and F-Super Duty into two separate truck lines

GMC Movano
Tau platform
Assembled at Flint Truck Assembly
New global large van replaces ancient GMT600s and European Renault-sourced models; Flint would export them globally

[avro206]

thats one HUGE kine up t-rex! I won't comment on the multiple Corvettes---no other car in the world does that.....opps I guess I did comment!

Cavalier??

[avro206]

Originally Posted by oklapike

I admit, I did kind of rush on the trucks (I'm more of a car guy). How's the smallblock diesel do for ya? From what little I understand, the torque curves and torque output (in general) of diesels make them far better suited to towing and heavy payloads? Isn't that kind of the whole point with a work truck?

diesel 1/2 tons are a great idea.

[t-rex]

Originally Posted by avro206

thats one HUGE kine up t-rex! I won't comment on the multiple Corvettes---no other car in the world does that.....opps I guess I did comment!

Cavalier??

The lineup's not so huge split between two sales showrooms. The regular Chevy line is roughly the number of models Toyota-Scion offer, and the "Heritage-Corvette" lineup, is roughly the size of an Olds-Pontiac lineup. Plus the five Suburban-Denali models are effectively just variations of a single vehicle. Of course the coupé derivatives like the Laguna and Monza could be folded respectively into the Malibu and Cavalier lineups. Oh and I believe GM should have kept the Cavvy name and built its reputation up, rather than this switch from Cobalt to Cruze to heavenknowswhat.

As for Corvette... it's sort of GM's Porsche. Solstice=Cayman, Anthem=Panamera, Stingray=classic iconoclast model...

Hey it's just an idea!

[oklapike]

Originally Posted by t-rex

The lineup's not so huge split between two sales showrooms. The regular Chevy line is roughly the number of models Toyota-Scion offer, and the "Heritage-Corvette" lineup, is roughly the size of an Olds-Pontiac lineup. Plus the five Suburban-Denali models are effectively just variations of a single vehicle. Of course the coupé derivatives like the Laguna and Monza could be folded respectively into the Malibu and Cavalier lineups. Oh and I believe GM should have kept the Cavvy name and built its reputation up, rather than this switch from Cobalt to Cruze to heavenknowswhat.

As for Corvette... it's sort of GM's Porsche. Solstice=Cayman, Anthem=Panamera, Stingray=classic iconoclast model...

Hey it's just an idea!

So, help me understand...would Saturn and Pontiac fold into this lineup, or would they still exist separately in your ideal GM?

I completely agree, Chevy should have kept (and rebuilt equity in) the Cavalier name.

[avro206]

My "ideal" lineup is not very farfetched. I try to be realistic. Every platform/car model would have to lose 75-100lbs--when the generation is updated or replaced.

Epsilons and Zetas are pretty porky cars. I don't think 75-100lbs would be too much to lose and not cost too much.

DI across the board and 6 speeds both autos and manuals.


Chevrolet Aveo FWD
1.6L DI VVT 16 valve 125hp
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

Chevrolet Cruze FWD
1.4L DI VVT 16 valve Turbo 150hp
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

SS model 2.2L Turbo 265hp 4dr and 2dr
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

Chevrolet Malibu FWD-built on Epsilon 2
2.4L DI 16 valve 200hp
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

Hybrid--2 mode
2.4L DI 16 valve with electric motor
225hp
6 speed auto

2.2L Turbo 265hp
6 speed auto

SS model 290hp 3.6L DI V6
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

Impala built on Zeta platform
300hp 3.6L DI V6
6 speed auto

2.9L V6 TDI
250hp/400lbs-ft
6 speed auto

SS 430hp 6.2L
6 speed auto

Camaro
315hp 3.8L HF V6
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

RS V8
5.0 Gen 5 SBC DI
365hp/360 TQ
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

SS
445hp Gen 5 6.2L DI
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

Z28
525hp Gen 5 7.0 DI
6 speed manual/ 6 speed auto

[avro206]

Originally Posted by oklapike

I completely agree, Chevy should have kept (and rebuilt equity in) the Cavalier name.

Maybe its just me but the Cavalier name was such crap---it would be impossible to rebuid any equity or consumer recognition that its a good car.

I get angry at people who think a Cobalt is a Cavalier--its 10X the car