Volt - in captivity ... touched and pic'd

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by Jonnycat26

The problem is John, you've been caught making stuff up in the past...

No, there has only been spin vague enough to imply & mislead. So once again, my purpose (as clearly stated on my homepage for years) is: "To significantly reduce emissions & consumption in a reliable & cost-effective manner." Any technology meeting that criteria is welcome.

For this discussion topic, that means Volt by around 2015. When rollout begins in 2010, it will indeed significantly reduce emissions & consumption and should be reliable. Being cost-effective will require additional time though, but it is realistic given continued battery advancements.

[Jonnycat26]

Originally Posted by john1701a

No, there has only been spin vague enough to imply & mislead.

Then why have you been trying to imply and mislead with spin?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by john1701a

You're right, most people won't remember details of what was actually presented back in January 2007. Aspects like the heavily boasted acceleration will be long forgotten. They'll just see the Volt name and a plug.

And you're right about the SERIES hybrid finally making it to market too. It will indeed. But how long until that "nicely below $30,000" goal will be achieved?

The point is, the 2011 Volt will be quite different from that original concept. Change happens.

So you admit that the Volta was vaporwire, yes?

Because unless I'm wrong, the ls 600h is "quite different from that original concept."

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

E-FLEX IS ARRIVING IN NOVEMBER 2010. E-FLEX BLOWS AWAY ANYTHING TOYOTA HAS EVER MADE. A PLUG-IN PRIUS IS NOT THE SAME AS A VOLT.

Sure. GM's "coming soon" PR machine has has never failed to produce revolutionary products in the automotive industry. Just like the new Malibu.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by ZeroDrag

Sure. GM's "coming soon" PR machine has has never failed to produce revolutionary products in the automotive industry. Just like the new Malibu.

You just keep thinking that ..... we have a BIG surprise coming for you.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So you admit that the Volta was vaporwire, yes?

Because unless I'm wrong, the ls 600h is "quite different from that original concept."

Give up on him. Despite all his bluster, he is only interested in hybrids that carry the "Toyota" name.



http://gm-volt.com/

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by roteague

Give up on him. Despite all his bluster, he is only interested in hybrids that carry the "Toyota" name.

That's a sad attempt to discredit, especially considering what the market need is right now.

ESCAPE is a small SUV offering a FULL hybrid system using a 4-cylinder engine which meets all the purpose criteria. It's a Ford and I support it.

FUSION is planned to compete directly with the hybrid Camry, which means a FULL hybrid system using a 4-cylinder engine. Same situation... and it's not a Toyota either.

Someday when GM does the same, that vehicle will get a nod too.

[Jonnycat26]

Originally Posted by john1701a

That's a sad attempt to discredit, especially considering what the market need is right now.

ESCAPE is a small SUV offering a FULL hybrid system using a 4-cylinder engine which meets all the purpose criteria. It's a Ford and I support it.

That's so weird... because when people bash the Escape over on the Prius forums for not being as good as the highlander, you never step up to defend it. And since it has better emissions and better mileage than the highlander, you'd think you'd be the first in there to defend it.

So here's your shot... just tell us all that the Escape is the better vehicle... that you'd, without reservations, recommend it over the Highlander.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by Jonnycat26

That's so weird... because when people bash the Escape over on the Prius forums for not being as good as the highlander, you never step up to defend it. And since it has better emissions and better mileage than the highlander, you'd think you'd be the first in there to defend it.

So here's your shot... just tell us all that the Escape is the better vehicle... that you'd, without reservations, recommend it over the Highlander.

Go over to the GM-Volt site and see if he is registered.

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by Jonnycat26

So here's your shot... just tell us all that the Escape is the better vehicle... that you'd, without reservations, recommend it over the Highlander.

Escape-Hybrid = 2 rows of seating and 1,000 pound towing capacity

Highlander-Hybrid = 3 rows of seating and 3,500 pound towing capacity

Since there is only one choice available in each category, that "better" question is obviously a trap.

[Jonnycat26]

Originally Posted by john1701a

Escape-Hybrid = 2 rows of seating and 1,000 pound towing capacity

Highlander-Hybrid = 3 rows of seating and 3,500 pound towing capacity

Since there is only one choice available in each category, that "better" question is obviously a trap.

Sorry, you can't play that game, because then the Two-Mode hybrids would easily trump the Highlander.

However, if we were to stick to your 'goal' of reducing emissions and consumption, the Escape would be the better choice in SUVs, would it not?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by john1701a

Escape-Hybrid = 2 rows of seating and 1,000 pound towing capacity

Highlander-Hybrid = 3 rows of seating and 3,500 pound towing capacity

Since there is only one choice available in each category, that "better" question is obviously a trap.

However, the Escape Hybrid is "better for the environment" and achieves better fuel economy.

Therefore, in your view, it MUST the superior car. Correct?