CAMARO! - The Massive Never-Ending Discussion Thread

[actionjack]

With the LS1 for the F-Body it had minor changes from 1998 to 2002. Some of the most known were:


98' to 00' had the LS1 intake manifold and larger cam and smaller Fuel Injectors.

01' to 02' the LS1 intake was replaced with the LS6 intake manifold and a smaller Cam from GM truck was used and the Fuel Injectors were larger.


the 01 and 02 LS1 had a slightly higher rate HP and the WS6 with Ram Air for the firebird was the highest unless you had the Firehawk upgrade.

The Firehawk and SS Camaro were modified at SLP while the WS6 Trans Am or Formula (the WS6 was only avail for T/A for years 01 and 02) was modified by ASC.

[actionjack]

Order Details for a 2000 Firebird:



Vehicle Details
> Optional Equipment
Standard Equipment
Technical Specifications


ENGINE Invoice MSRP
5.7L (346) SFI V8 engine (STD) Code: LS1
$0 $0

TRANSMISSION Invoice MSRP
4- SPEED ELECTRONICALLY- CONTROLLED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION W/ OD (STD) (w/ QLC Tires REQ: GU5 Rear Axle Ratio) Code: MX0
$0 $0
6- SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION W/ 5TH & 6TH GEAR OD - inc: 3.42 axle ratio Code: MN6
$0 $0

OPTION PACKAGE Invoice MSRP
OPT PKG - inc: base vehicle Code: 1SA
$0 $0
NHRA SPECIAL EDITION PKG - inc: P245/ 50ZR16 performance tires,3.23 performance rear axle, pwr steering cooler, 16 chrome wheels, 6- way pwr driver seat, protection group Code: 1SH
$1170
NHRA SPECIAL EDITION PKG - inc: P245/ 50ZR16 performance tires, pwr steering cooler, 16 chrome wheels, Hurst shifter,6- way pwr driver seat, protection group, (REQ: MN6 6- speed manual trans) Code: 1SH
$1195

TIRES Invoice MSRP
P245/ 50ZR16 ALL- WEATHER PERFORMANCE SBR BSW TIRES (STD) Code: QFZ
$0 $0
P245/ 50ZR16 PERFORMANCE SBR BSW TIRES (w/ MX0 Trans REQ: GU5 3.23 axle ratio) Code: QLC
$0 $0
P275/ 40ZR17 SPEED- RATED SBR TIRES (REQ: WS6 Ram Air Pkg) Code: QFK
$0 $0

SEAT TYPE Invoice MSRP
RECLINING FRONT BUCKET SEATS (STD) Code: AR9
$0 $0
RECLINING FRONT BUCKET SEATS - inc: adjustable lumbar support Code: AQ9
$185

SEAT TRIM Invoice MSRP
PRADO LEATHER SEAT TRIM (STD) Code: __3
$0 $0
PRADO LEATHER CUSTOM SEAT TRIM (REQ: AQ9 Front Seats) Code: __2
$575

PAINT TYPE Invoice MSRP
SOLID PAINT (STD)
$0 $0

RADIO Invoice MSRP
ETR AM/ FM STEREO W/ COMPACT DISC PLAYER - inc: Monsoon premium audio system, (10) speakers, clock, equalizer (STD)
$0 $0
ETR AM/ FM STEREO W/ CASSETTE, GRAPHIC EQUALIZER, 10- SPEAKERS - inc: auto- reverse, seek- up/ down, Monsoon 500- watt amplifier, remote CD pre- wiring, digital clock, leather- wrapped steering wheel w/ radio controls Code: W54
$-100

WHEEL TYPE Invoice MSRP
16 silver 5- spoke cast aluminum wheels (STD)
$0 $0
16 CHROMED ALUMINUM WHEELS (N/ A w/ WS6 Ram Air Pkg, WU6 Firehawk Pkg) Code: P05
$595
17 POLISHED ALUMINUM WHEELS (REQ: WS6 Ram Air Pkg) Code: QB6
$0 $0

ADDITIONAL OPTIONS Invoice MSRP
3.23 PERFORMANCE REAR AXLE RATIO (REQ: MX0 Auto Trans) Code: GU5
$300
RAM AIR PERFORMANCE & HANDLING PKG - inc: Ram Air induction system, functional air scoops, P275/ 40ZR17 tires, 17 high- polished aluminum wheels, specific tuned suspension, specific low- restriction dual outlet exhaust system, 320 horsepower, pwr steering cooler *Affects Color Availability* (N/ A w/ WU6 Firehawk Pkg) Code: WS6
$3150
SLP FIREHAWK PKG - inc: 335 horsepower, forced- air induction system, hood- mounted heat extractors, composite hood w/ functional air scoops, cat- back exhaust w/ dual tips,upgraded suspension, P275/ 40ZR17 tires, (2) Firehawk key fobs, dash plaque, 17 painted aluminum wheels (REQ: QLC Tires) (N/ A w/ WS6 Ram Air Pkg, P05 Wheels) Code: WU6
$3999
HURST PERFORMANCE SHIFT LINKAGE (REQ: MN6 Trans) Code: BBS
$325
PWR STEERING COOLER Code: V12
$100
TRUNK- MOUNTED REMOTE COMPACT DISC CHANGER - inc: 12- disc capacity Code: U1S
$595
TRACTION CONTROL Code: NW9
$450
NEW JERSEY COST SURCHARGE *Required on all vehicles to be registered in New Jersey Code: R6M
$0
MANUFACTURERS STATEMENT OF ORIGIN Code: ZV1
$0 $0
CUSTOMER DIALOGUE NETWORK Code: R6J
$0
DEALER AUTHORIZES ORDER RELEASE Code: R7C
$0 $0
*********************************************
THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH SLP ENGINEERING AND REQUIRE WU6 FIREHAWK PERFORMANCE PKG - FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT SLP ENGINEERING AT (248) 288- 3888
*********************************************
SUSPENSION PKG - inc: double adjustable Koni shock absorbers (N/ A w/ Bilstein Suspension) Code: 1LE
$1499
AUBURN HIGH- TORQUE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENTIAL *Recommended for high- speed and race track applications*
$899
17 X 9 CHROME- PLATED 5- SPOKE ALUMINUM WHEELS
$799
BILSTEIN ULTRA PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION SYSTEM (N/ A w/ 1LE Suspension)
$1099
PREMIUM FRONT FLOOR MATS W/ FIREHAWK LOGO
$99
CUSTOM- FITTED CAR COVER W/ LOCKING CABLE & BAG
$159

EMISSIONS Invoice MSRP
FEDERAL EMISSIONS Code: FE9
$0 $0
NORTHEAST EMISSIONS *Must be ordered in ME, MA, NY, or VT* Code: NG1
$0 $0
CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS Code: YF5
$0 $0
CALIFORNIA/ NORTHEAST EMISSIONS OVERRIDE *Must be ordered for units shipped to dealers in CA, ME, MA, NY or VT w/ Federal Emissions* (REQ: FE9 Emissions) Code: NB8
$0 $0
FEDERAL EMISSION OVERRIDE *must be ordered for units shipped to dealers in Federal areas w/ California or Northeast Emissions* (REQ: YF5 or NG1 Emissions) Code: NC7
$0 $0

[actionjack]

Interior picture I took of a 1999 Firebird I owned for a good 3 years before and during the time I have owned my 2001 WS6:







Exterior shot of same Firebird:









And the V6 engine (3800):

[actionjack]

Originally Posted by Ming

To get this started, I have some Camaro questions (I don't know the answers):

* What factories (where) produced the Camaro between 1993-2002?

* How many 35th Anniversary Camaros were produced for the 2002 model year?

* What were the strengths of the LT1 engine?

So. Is there a limit to this thing???

[actionjack]

Magazine Pic of the Firebird interior (I love this car, can you tell?):

[actionjack]

Article from Modern Muscle showing proof that GM under rated the HP in the F-Bodies and over rated the HP in Corvettes:

[actionjack]

OK. I will stop 'hogging' this thread and let others add.

[Canuck]

In this thread has the Mustang been discontinued?
Are Ford fans lamenting the loss of the Mustang?
Is Ford rumored to be bringing back the Mustang?

[327]

Originally Posted by Canuck

In this thread has the Mustang been discontinued?
Are Ford fans lamenting the loss of the Mustang?
Is Ford rumored to be bringing back the Mustang?

were do i find what you are smoking?, I want it

[surferdude00711]

Originally Posted by 327

were do i find what you are smoking?, I want it

I grow it in my head. Its called "Mustanguana" and reafirms thoughts that the ****************mobile is incredibly ugly and can't touch the GTO.

[actionjack]

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

I grow it in my head. Its called "Mustanguana" and reafirms thoughts that the ****************mobile is incredibly ugly and can't touch the GTO.

You eat a GTO's dust at the stoplight even if your in a:

[b]

NSX, Cayman S, Boxster S, Z4, M3, SLK350, 760i, Cayenne Turbo, RX-8, 300C, MUSTANG GT





BUT NOT MY RIDE
2001 Pontiac Trans Am WS6



jealous?






I know you are...

And it does not matter if it is a 2004 or a 2005.

[327]

Originally Posted by actionjack

You eat a GTO's dust at the stoplight even if your in a:

[b]

NSX, Cayman S, Boxster S, Z4, M3, SLK350, 760i, Cayenne Turbo, RX-8, 300C, MUSTANG GT






BUT NOT MY RIDE
2001 Pontiac Trans Am WS6



jealous?






I know you are...

And it does not matter if it is a 2004 or a 2005.

Now THAT should be the commercial says before they announce the new camaro or firebird

[actionjack]

Originally Posted by 327

Now THAT should be the commercial says before they announce the new camaro or firebird

Thanks for the Props. I did not see any love from this guy and checking back he has no love for American muscle or the Camaro, here is one example:

Originally Posted by surferdude00711

Reading through the interesting autoshow speculation thread, I found that many people are wishing for a Camaro. The Camaro was the Chevy muscle car, but as I have seen it pointed out several times, a return of the Chevelle is much more likely than a Camaro return. Assuming Chevelle is RWD, and wouuld use the same engines as a Camaro would I would think, does it matter that it doesn't have the Camaro name? A RWD Chevy coupe is a RWD Chevy coupe, and with the Chevelle name they can make a sedan version, too. To me, either name would work, or a new one I don't care. What about you?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...486#post244486

[actionjack]

Differences: 98,99,00,01,02

This is some basic info on the LS1 that i've gather from all of the internet and put into one list:

1998

1. Had differnet casting heads which had perimeter bolts and valve covers.
2. Ignition coils were mounted to the valve covers one at a time.
3. The water temp gauge actually works.
4. 98's do have an oil life monitor, they just don't tell you anything when its time for a change. You can find it in Auto-Tap
5. WS6s had single outlet exhaust (all others had duals)
6. Steering wheel controls were completely different part with indentations on the buttons, and were better built
7. Only year that Purple, Gold, and Green were available
8. Some very early Trans Ams came with LT1 style headrests
9. Rear hatch release was poorly designed and often caused problems releasing mechanism
10. Early model 98 Monsoon stereos didnt have capability to control 12-disc CD changer
11. 1998-1999 automatic transmission LS1s could be started in 1st gear even with the shifter in 2nd. Starting 2000, if you put the shifter in 2, it would start off in 2, even from a stop.
12. 1998-1999 LS1 cars had a smaller throttle body cam, which caused the throttle to open to WOT faster than 2000+ cars
13. 1998 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors from the factory
14. 1998-2000 cars had a larger cam than the 01-02 cars
15. 1998-1999 cars had more restrictive exhaust manifolds
16. 1998-2000 cars had an LS1 intake with EGR
17. 1998 and some early 1999 cars had blue outside rear view mirrors (Trans Am only)
18. 1998 only LS1 blocks had a much smaller cylinder sleeve that only tolerated a .005" hone
19. Last year F-body to use the old 15.5 gallon steel fuel tank.
20. Only year LS1 F-body to contain a gascap with a tether long enough to actually hang from the fuel door while open
21. Only year LS1 F-body to not contain the famous GM black box used in the event of an accident to record up to 5 seconds of pre-crash data
22. 1998 only cars had a different PCV system with the PCV valve located above the passenger side valve cover
23. 1998 most cars did not have an idle adjustment screw on the throttle body. Some 98 cars do have the idle throttle stop set screws.
24. 1998 cars have a completely different PCM from 99+ cars
25. A production shortage of F-body cams caused the use of a C5 cam to be installed in F-body LS1s for a very short time
26. 97-98 LS1's used a paper water pump gasket. The only gasket that isn't reuseable
27. SSs did not ALL go to SLP starting in 98. Y2Y was the RPO code that sent them to SLP for additional options
28. SS option did not "include" the Synthetic oil package, it was a SLP only Option

1999

1. 1999-2000 cars switched to 26 lb fuel injectors
2. Cylinder heads and valve covers redesigned to have center bolts instead of perimeter bolts. Other than that, the heads were the same.
3. Redesigned cylinder sleeves that allowed for a small bore, up from .005" in 1998 models.
4. Midyear model change to a cheaper steering wheel audio control button without finger indentations, and cheaper built
5. 1999 cars continued the LS1 intake with EGR provisions
6. 1999 cars continued more restrictive exhaust manifolds and larger cam
7. Only year that Hugger Orange was available (Camaro only)
8. 30th Anniversary Trans Am available with special blue and white paint package and blue clear coated WS6 wheels
9. Switch to larger 16.8 gallon plastic fuel tank to meet new emissions requirements.
10. Gascap tether was shorter and could no longer be used to hang on the gas door when open.
11. Company wide change added black boxes to record up to 5 seconds of data before a crash
12. Rear hatch release was redesigned with stiffer spring that released the hatch better
13. Water temp gauge was redesigned to work basically as a dummy gauge and only show an overheat condition.
14. An oil life monitor was added to all LS1s, thus changing the gauge cluster a little to show the oil life reset swtich
15. 1999-02 cars had a different PCV system with the valve located to the side of the intake manifold
16. Early production 1999 Trans Ams still had the blue outside mirrors, but a midyear change went to the non-tinted ones
17. 1999 there was the color "Medium Blue Metallic" which was available on both the Camaros and Firebirds. Only one year of that color

2000

1. Redesigned exhaust manifolds for new emissions standard actually flowed better and created a little more HP.
2. 2000 continued use of LS1 Intake, EGR, smaller cam, and 26 lb fuel injectors
3. Added rear child seat safety hooks to interior per federal requirements
4. Very early run of WS6s had "salad shooter" style rims. A production change switched back to standard 5-spoke WS6 rims.
5. Camaros got redesigned 10-spoke base rims, and SSs came with new 10-spoke rim design
6. First year of Monterey Maple Metallic paint
7. Charcoal (grayish) interior was replaced with Ebony (almost black) leather interior
8. Cloth interior cars got new rainbow colored cloth patterns
9. Camaros only got the Pontiac steering wheel with optional audio controls
10. Throttle body cam was increased in size to slow the speed at which the car reaches WOT
11. Automatic transmission cars were reprogrammed to allow a car to start off in 2nd gear from a stop when the shift lever is put into 2.
12. The last year a WS6 Formula was offered
13. Starting 2000 intake lids contained a seperate breather filter
14. 2000+ Camaros came with body colored mirrors instead of black ones like 98-99

2001

1. A small percentage of 2001 and 2002 LS1s actually had LS6 blocks which had a different part number and a darker metal cast
2. Starting 2001, all LS1s came with an LS6 intake manifold without an EGR system
3. Advertised HP output was changed from 305 to 310 on base LS1s and from 320 to 325 on WS6s and SSs
4. 2001-02 cars have a smaller cam from the Vortec truck engines to increase low end torque
5. 2001-02 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors like the 98 cars (albeit different part numbers)
6. WS6 cars had a redesigned 5 spoke rim which was more wavy
7. WS6 cars got less suspension upgrades from a base Trans Am suspension than previous years
8. Manual transmission cars all came with the Z06 clutch

2002 - Last year of the F-body

1. 35th Annivesary edition of the Camaro, and Collectors Edition Trans Am available
2. 2002 LS1 head gaskets redesigned. The new ones are a pressed metal, as opposed to the graphite ones and are no longer specific to the side of the car theyre installed on
3. 2002 cars continued with the LS6 intake, 28 lb fuel inectors and smaller truck cam
4. 2002 continued the use of an LS6 block in some LS1 F-bodies
5. A factory supported optional 345 HP option could be ordered from SLP
6. Manual transmission cars continued use of the Z06 clutch
7. Some 2002 model F-bodies came with a revised rear view mirror that had the map light buttons on the bottom, rather than the front.

compiled by constrictor98ta (mike) from ls2.com

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...80&postcount=2

[surferdude00711]

Originally Posted by actionjack

I did not see any love from this guy and checking back he has no love for American muscle

That, or:

1. I don't live in the past
2. I accept GM made bad contractual arangements with CAW's
3. The name Camaro just doesn't mean the world to me.