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Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
Source: Automotive News
-------------------------------------------------------------- By Amy Wilson Automotive News / April 04, 2005 / By Amy Wilson Orders for a Mustang GT might not be filled before the model year ends. DETROIT -- As problems go, this is a pretty good one to have. Still, Ford Motor Co. sales executives are having a devil of a time figuring out how to feed America's raging Mustang fever. From affluent teenagers to nostalgic baby boomers, buyers are clamoring for the retro-styled 2005 Mustang. Incentives are nonexistent, dealers are turning pony cars from their lots in three weeks, and Ford is raking in profits. So what's the problem? Ford vastly underestimated the appetite for snazzy interior upgrades and the GT model's 300-hp V-8 engine. And Ford's ability to crank up production of those options is limited. That creates other challenges. For instance, how does Ford equitably allocate cars to dealerships? And how do dealerships retain eager, cash-in-hand customers when they might not be able to fill an order for the rest of model year? Although the GT is the hottest Mustang, the V-6 is selling briskly as well. It takes a dealer an average of only 11 days to turn a GT - but the turn time for a V-6 is a still-quick 22 days, Ford says. Some dealers are turning to extreme measures to get Mustangs. Bill Summers Ford in North Platte, Neb., bid more than sticker price for two used Mustang GTs in one week. And the dealership, which has taken delivery of only one 2005 Mustang so far, still didn't win the auctions. "I got so angry I walked away," said used-car manager Matt Smith after bidding on a red GT with 5,307 miles at a March 24 Manheim auction in Denver. The car, which had an original sticker price of around $27,000, according to dealers, ended up selling wholesale for $29,900. Paying over sticker for a used car sounds crazy. But Smith said customers are so eager for Mustangs that dealers can recoup their money. "On a daily basis, we have someone calling and looking for a GT," he said. Martin Gubbels of Big Sky Ford-Lincoln-Mercury in Torrington, Wyo., was prepared to sacrifice his only 2005 Mustang convertible allocation to satisfy a long-standing retail order on a GT coupe. In the end, he didn't have to. Facing a long wait for the car, the coupe customer backed out. Gubbels sold the convertible at full sticker price to a customer who qualifies for Ford's X-plan discount price but didn't want to wait for an X-plan order to be scheduled. John Nielsen of Nielsen Ford-Mercury in Bloomer, Wis., recently bought a GT from another dealer for $100 less than the sticker price. He sold the car at sticker, making no money in the deal but showing Ford that he can move Mustangs. "We were trying to earn allocation so we could get these retail orders in the order bank," Nielsen said. But Nielsen is among hundreds of dealers who probably won't get all their GT orders filled during the waning months of the model year. The sales mix is already 38 percent GT, compared with around 33 percent GT in past years. But the unscheduled order bank contains almost 61 percent GTs, Ford says. "It's safe to say demand is well above our ability to supply it at this point," said George Pipas, Ford's sales analysis and reporting manager. There is a positive side to all this, Ford executives say. Pent-up demand should keep the redesigned Mustang strong well beyond its launch year "While some customers are going to have to wait," Pipas said, "it smoothes out the period of strong sales for the product, which means you can avoid putting on higher incentives for a longer period of time." Dealers are delighted to have the redesigned Mustang, especially since Ford's car stable has been so weak in recent years. But some are grumbling about allocation. Ford's smallest dealers may only get a few Mustangs for the entire model year. Some have been told not to expect any more GTs. Ford guaranteed at least one 2005 Mustang to each of its 3,500 U.S. dealers. The automaker's "turn and earn" philosophy means the bulk of allocation has gone to metropolitan stores and dealers in the Sunbelt states, where a rear-drive sports car sells even in the winter. "I would like to see more of them come to rural dealers because the Mustang is a hot product on every street corner in America, not just metropolitan areas," Gubbels said. With the start of spring, Ford is shifting more deliveries to the northern states. Ford is "allocating Mustang based on previous dealer sales," said Ben Poore, Ford Division car marketing manager. "We've got to allocate in the fairest way possible." Ford already has pumped up capacity for the Mustang's interior upgrade package, which features an aluminum-covered dash and customized instrument panel lighting. Demand is nearly 50 percent, compared with a take rate originally forecast to be in the teens. The aluminum dash supplier added robots in February, and Ford says it now is closer to meeting demand. Poore also says Ford is working on turning up GT production any way it can. He wouldn't give specifics on how much output could rise. "We'll get up as high as we can within the boundaries of our engine capacity and axle capacity," he said. Ford says it will build at least 192,000 Mustangs this year in part by scheduling overtime at its Mazda joint venture plant in Flat Rock, Mich. Ford expects to sell up to 165,000 Mustangs in the United States and 10,000 or more in Canada in 2005. But dealers and customers shouldn't expect the mix to swing wildly to the GT, which shares its 4.6-liter engine with other Ford vehicles - notably the F-150 pickup. The automaker isn't likely to sacrifice higher-margin F-150 sales for more Mustang GTs. The Romeo, Mich., engine plant, which makes the V-8, is not currently on overtime. Ford already increased prices in January, something the company says was planned before the car went on sale in October. The base GT jumped from $24,995, including destination charges, to $25,570. The base V-6 went from $19,410 to $19,770. The average selling price on a 2005 Mustang in February was $23,480, according to industry researcher Edmunds.com. For the 2005 model year, the average Mustang is selling for $27 below the sticker price, Ford says. Dealers can make more on eBay, where some GTs are selling for more than sticker price. The shortage of GTs mean lost income for Ford dealers, who already saw profits slide in 2004 and early this year. "If we could get the right number of GTs, it would mean increased profits for Ford Motor Co., and some of the dealer profit problems will be worked out," Gubbels said. "But you can only sell what they can build." |
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
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We need the CA-MA-RO! Please listen to us GM!
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
Ford made one big mistake here. They failed to observe a rule that has been around forever. Thou shalt not assume. They assumed they wouldn't have such a hot car, but in an industry where one hot car can make such a difference, and one as historically popular as the Mustang, Ford should have made available the ability to pump these things out in order to keep up with demand. Ultimately, they'll lose some potential customers. Propper previous planning prevents piss poor performance. C'mon Ford, plan this out so you can back yourself up.
That said, I'm really happy for the Mustang ![]()
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
Well, regardless of the production shortcomings, it's better to have stories about demand exceeding supply than the other way around. In other words, it's a good problem to have.
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
Nice to see that Chrylser the 300, and Ford the Mustang can sell cars now lets see if the revised Impala can bring us back to selling cars. The last car was suprisingly a quite well selling car!
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
I'll bet that they're purposely trying to limit V8 production to avoid being in CAFE trouble. The telltale line is in the article is this one:
"The Romeo, Mich., engine plant, which makes the V-8, is not currently on overtime." If they were really trying everything possible to crank up production, these guys would be churning out engines as fast as possible. |
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
sounds eerily familiar to the problem they had in 1964 1/2.
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
Wonder if GM will stick to their view that there is no market for this type of car.
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
I have to admit, Ford has hit a home run. The Mustang has a winning package of affordable performance and classic retro styling. As much as it pains me that this success is not from GM, I have to say Ford has done an excellent job with this legendary car.
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
GO MUSTANG! These so called production problems aren't problems, they are predicaments. Ford and its dealers will cash-in this year. I just saw a red Mustang on the interstate, talk about stand out.
![]() Ford's production limit for the Mustang is 200,000, right?
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Re: Used Mustang GT's Selling Over Sticker Of New!
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A fully new Camaro that isn't styled like a Cobalt would be a hit.
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