Toyota sputters as market shifts; Like Big 3, has too many Trucks, Lacks Small Cars

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by racy

Nice thought, but Hyundai simply doesn't posess the manufacturing capability for such a jump in sales. They mught be able to sell the metal, but they can't build it fast enough.

Neither does Honda and right now Honda is maxed out in production of both the Accord and the Civic. Plus Honda doesn't have the breadth of products that Toyota has either in the US or in the world.

Honda is only 'big' here in NA. It's concentrated all it's resources here and then to a lesser extent in Japan. In the rest of the world Honda is not a vehicle maker it's an engine maker....a very very good one. For example in Europe it's not even in the top 10.

[BrickTamland]

Originally Posted by A Bum In A Bus

Speaking of maturity, if you don't like what I post, DON'T READ IT. Calling someone a racist is really mature, you wouldn't know racism if it bit you in the ass, peckerhead. Maybe you should join the Toyota board, that seems to be your automotive preference.

Speaking of maturity, you just engaged in name calling. Nevermind the fact that is not allowed on these boards...

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by joemac

In rebuttal, the Corolla and Camry were down month to month May to June roughly 20%. A manufacturer with production constraints doesn't lose 20% volume from one month to the next.

Some have eluded to a fleet dump last month for Toyota on the Corolla and Camry as they set new all time sales records for a single month. A manufacturer doesn't set a record one month, then drop 20% next with production constraints. Nor does one fleet dump (alleged) vehicles if retail sales are in short supply.

The reason that ALL vehicle makers are down in the month of June versus May is that May is the 'thrust' month for 2nd quarter sales. All vehicle makers aim toward this month as the peak month of the 1st half of the year. Then June and July are mediocre until August arrives and that is the peak month for 3rd quarter ( and for the entire year ) then sales wind down again in Sept, Oct, Nov and peak somewhat in December to close out the year.

Then the seasonality starts all over again.

June will always be a 'down' month overall as compared to May. The numbers reported are not production numbers they are retail/fleet sales at the dealer level. In addition for this year in particular there were 24 selling days in June while there were 27 selling days in May. Right there is a 10% decline for all vehicle makers.

[camaro_freak]

Originally Posted by A Bum In A Bus

Speaking of maturity, if you don't like what I post, DON'T READ IT. Calling someone a racist is really mature, you wouldn't know racism if it bit you in the ass, peckerhead. Maybe you should join the Toyota board, that seems to be your automotive preference.

feel better? I think you just proved my point yet again. You can't keep seem to keep your comments to topic or refrain from name calling. And peckerhead is going a little too old-school don't you think?

Originally Posted by Kennyboy

I double that. It's one thing to hate an automaker, but it's another to thing to use racial slurs to attack a particular type of ppl. I don't mind ppl attack ppl on their positions and ideology, but attacking them based on their skin color is stupid.

thank you... staying on topic would have proved the point but instead ridiculous comments are made that immediately makes the post look like a 15 year old typed it out.

Originally Posted by roteague

Nonsense. No where did the poster allude to Toyota's race, nor did the poster say "Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc." , nor to any other Japanese/Asian. You are jumping to unwarranted conclusions, and assuming racism, where you have no proof of the posters intent. Frankly, you owe the poster an apology.

what exactly does "cloud of rice" mean if not alluding to race/ethnicity? The post was unnecessary and uncalled for ... I'm supposed to apologize to someone who posts this garbage?

Originally Posted by BrickTamland

Speaking of maturity, you just engaged in name calling. Nevermind the fact that is not allowed on these boards...

agreed, posts like his need to be removed

Originally Posted by GReekBoy

funny what a simple search shows

04-20-2006, 09:25 PM
camaro_freak
the wing has to go though... too much rice

never knew saying rice was a racial slur. grow the **** up. i guess crotches get offended when people say crotch rockets

guess that makes you racist toooo!!!!

Yes, I called one particular car 'rice'-like, I can't deny I've used that comment in the past. It was not the right choice of words. However, I've never used it to describe the asian culture, the employees of asian companies or the companies themselves.

And you must have been really, really bored to search through 3 thousand of my posts to find one exact word you were looking for. Kudos to you for that!!

as far as crotches go, 'crotch rocket' actually has some truth in the meaning considering your crotch sits right on top of the gas tank and you can go insanely fast on a sport bike if you are brave enough so I think that term is fairly correct.

Calling for the destruction and demise of import companies in a cloud of rice has no basis in reality and/or the laws of physics as far as I'm aware, though it is thought provoking stuff!

How exactly would brick, steel, wood, and other building materials turn into rice and then implode? Would this require a tear or distortion in the space time continuum?

Mind boggling!

[furyagain]

I work in a Toyota Dealer in Canada as a salesman. ( by the way my english is no good, Chinese)

about the order time

2009 Corolla S auto is around 2 months wait ( no matter what colour)
2009 Corolla LE is around 1.5 months wait ( no matter what colour)
2009 Camry Hybrid is around 5.5 months wait ( no matter what colour)
yes 5.5 months
i have a customer put down deposit for one in the beginning of june
we just can't put his order in as the pipe was already full
we may be able to put his order in in the beginning of august and then 3.5 months wait..
so he will not get his vehicle until.mm until Mid of november.

2008 Highlander Hybrid 3.5 months
2008 Prius 3.5 months

The total sale number in our dealer stay about the same
but we go have more sedan/ small SUV going out then before...
Rav4 sell really good.. as it is classleading in MPG ( 4 or V6)

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by joemac

In rebuttal, the Corolla and Camry were down month to month May to June roughly 20%. A manufacturer with production constraints doesn't lose 20% volume from one month to the next.

Some have eluded to a fleet dump last month for Toyota on the Corolla and Camry as they set new all time sales records for a single month. A manufacturer doesn't set a record one month, then drop 20% next with production constraints. Nor does one fleet dump (alleged) vehicles if retail sales are in short supply.

YEP.

Here is just one aspect of their bigger than realized fail last month.

Btw, you can do this with all of Toyota's line up - many of the conventional powertrain choices are even worse .


US (TMS) hybrid sales for JUNE 2008

Model.....................Units...........vs. last month (MAY 2008)
Prius....................11,765.................-21.6%
Camry...................3,054..................-49.1%
Highlander..............1,511.................-42.9%
RX400h.................1,330.................-38.3%
LS600hL....................73..................-34.8%
GS450h.....................73..................-25.5%

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For comparison.

All hybrids.............24,917...............-30.1%

All vehicles...1,189,108.................-14.9%

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Also, there is a really neat graph in the upper right hand corner of the original linked article that charts Toyota versus the industry as a whole.

Maybe somebody can post it up - it knocks all the Toyota spin on this thread outta' da' park.

Here is the address.

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi...7090377&Ref=AR

[GReekBoy]

Originally Posted by camaro_freak

feel better? I think you just proved my point yet again. You can't keep seem to keep your comments to topic or refrain from name calling. And peckerhead is going a little too old-school don't you think?

thank you... staying on topic would have proved the point but instead ridiculous comments are made that immediately makes the post look like a 15 year old typed it out.

what exactly does "cloud of rice" mean if not alluding to race/ethnicity? The post was unnecessary and uncalled for ... I'm supposed to apologize to someone who posts this garbage?
agreed, posts like his need to be removed


Yes, I called one particular car 'rice'-like, I can't deny I've used that comment in the past. It was not the right choice of words. However, I've never used it to describe the asian culture, the employees of asian companies or the companies themselves.

And you must have been really, really bored to search through 3 thousand of my posts to find one exact word you were looking for. Kudos to you for that!!

as far as crotches go, 'crotch rocket' actually has some truth in the meaning considering your crotch sits right on top of the gas tank and you can go insanely fast on a sport bike if you are brave enough so I think that term is fairly correct.

Calling for the destruction and demise of import companies in a cloud of rice has no basis in reality and/or the laws of physics as far as I'm aware, though it is thought provoking stuff!

How exactly would brick, steel, wood, and other building materials turn into rice and then implode? Would this require a tear or distortion in the space time continuum?

Mind boggling!

bored maybe, really really bored nah.. try using the search feature.. took maybe all of 2 minutes...

its easy goto advanced search type your name for poster and "rice" for the word and there you go