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Toyota Motor Europe sales woes cont: -22.4% - Largest Group sales loss for May 2008
By Group size and brand for bottom listings per ACEA display method.
These are straight, non dsr adjusted percentages which would report slightly higher as dsr% numbers - one less selling day for MAY 2008. Numbers measure sales percentage differences between MAY2008 and MAY2007. The three worst performers were from the bottom up; Toyota (last), Mitsubishi, and Honda. Data is as also Toyota now or was reporting it. PROVISIONAL. NEW PASSENGER CAR REGISTRATIONS BY MANUFACTURER WESTERN EUROPE (EU15 + EFTA Countries)Total MARKET -8.0% VW...............-7.8% PSA..............-7.7% Ford ...........-10.2% GM ..............-5.9% ![]() Fiat............. -4.8% Renault.... +00.2% BMW.......... -4.6% Daimler...... -13.5% Toyota.... .-22.4% (WORST) Nissan..... + 7.4% (BEST) Honda...... -20.6% ( THIRD WORST) Mazda....... -00.8% Hyundia...... -8.4% Kia........... -12.8% Suzuki....... -11.0% Mitsubishi -21.3% (SECOND WORST) Chrysler.... -00.6% ![]() Other....... -10.5%
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-14-2008 at 11:29 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Motor Eur. sales woes continue: -22.2% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Some links with info and more links. http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/fi...FINAL-0805.pdf http://www.acea.be/index.php/news/ne...er_five_months Quote:
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-14-2008 at 11:35 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Motor Eur. sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Europeans are so cutting edge. I say Americans should copy them!
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Re: Toyota Motor Eur. sales woes continue: -22.2% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
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WESTERN EUROPE (EU15 + EFTA Countries) .......................................MAY2008/MAY2007 .............................%Share ..........Units...... ...Units......... % Chg ............................... '08.... '07 .......'08............ '07............. 08/07 TOYOTA Group... .4.8.... 5.7...... 59,455.. ..76,568...... - 22.4 TOYOTA............... 4.6.... 5.5...... .57,217... .73,591...... - 22.3 LEXUS............ ......0.2....0.2......... 2,238...... 2,977...... - 24.8 ************************************************** ************************* YTD is ................. TOYOTA Group...5.3... 5.9... 339,338... 386,577........ -12.2 TOYOTA............ ....5.1... 5.7... 326,746... 370,011....... -11.7 LEXUS ................. 0.2... 0.3......12,592..... 16,566........ -24.0
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-14-2008 at 03:28 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Motor Eur. sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
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Total MARKET -7.8% VW.............. -8.1% PSA..............-7.9% Ford ...........-8.6% GM ..............-5.4% ![]() Fiat............. -4.5% Renault.... -5.7% BMW.......... -4.4% Daimler...... -13.2% Toyota.... .-21.6% (Second WORST) Nissan..... + 8.4% (BEST) Honda...... -21.7% ( WORST) Mazda....... +2.9% Hyundia...... -5.0% Kia........... -7.1% Suzuki....... -8.4 Mitsubishi -21.3% (Third WORST) Chrysler.... -0.6% ![]() Other....... -14.8% http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/fi...FINAL-0805.pdf
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
I'll check -and correct if needed.
Changed the -7.8% for market to - 8.0% - thanks. **************************************** Update: I think the difference is the following : (*) EU27 including Bulgaria, Romania; excluding Malta, Cyprus - which have reported yet plus more. ie adds two and subtracts two........ and yet to come. Having said that, some of your numbers appear to be from the one chart and some from the other - like I did with the 7.8% and the 8.0% ************************************************** ******************* Sigh, wait one. ************************************************** ****************** I think I got what happened to your chart -will do next post.
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 07-15-2008 at 03:32 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Hahahahahhaha.
Glad to see they suck in one market.
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Its worse than it looks for Lexus and maybe for Toyota - 2007 was not a good year for either, but, I think it was unevenly distributed -not sure of all of it except a big fade at the end of '07.
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-13-2008 at 07:56 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Ok, here are the two charts numbers together.
Each chart rank orders the oems on sales volume and each chart as a result has a different order. The following chart will preserve sales volume order from the first chart listed and posted. NEW PASSENGER CAR REGISTRATIONS BY MANUFACTURER ///NEW PASSENGER CAR REGISTRATIONS BY MANUFACTURER WESTERN EUROPE (EU15 + EFTA Countries)......... ///TOTAL EUROPE (EU* + EFTA Countries) Total MARKET ..................................-8.0%............................-7.8% VW................................................-7.8%..............................-8.1% PSA...............................................-7.7%..............................-7.9% Ford ............................................-10.2%.............................-8.6% GM ...............................................-5.9% .........................-5.4% ![]() Fiat.............................................. -4.8%..............................-4.5% Renault..................................... +00.2%.............................-5.7% BMW............................................ -4.6%...............................-4.4% Daimler........................................ -13.5%.............................-13.2% Toyota.... ..................................-22.4% (WORST)..............-21.6%(SECOND WORST) Nissan....................................... + 7.4% (BEST)..................+8.4% (BEST) Honda....................................... -20.6% (THIRD WORST)......-21.7% (WORST) Mazda........................................ -00.8%..............................+2.9% Hyundia........................................ -8.4%................................-5.0% Kia............................................. -12.8%................................-7.1% Suzuki......................................... -11.0%...............................-8.4% Mitsubishi.................................. -21.3% (SECOND WORST)...-17.9% (THIRD WORST) Chrysler...................................... -00.6% ...........................-00.6% ![]() Other......................................... -10.5%...............................-14.6% __________________
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-13-2008 at 09:19 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Here are the countries covered by each list.
AUSTRIA BELGIUM DENMARK*** FINLAND FRANCE GERMANY GREECE IRELAND ITALY LUXEMBURG** NETHERLANDS PORTUGAL SPAIN SWEDEN UNITED KINGDOM EUROPEAN UNION (EU15) 1,196,296 1,301,648 -8.1 6,230,760 6,330,712 -1.6 ICELAND NORWAY SWITZERLAND** EFTA EU15+EFTA 1,235,314 1,343,224 -8.0 6,412,998 6,508,547 -1.5 BULGARIA CZECH REPUBLIC ESTONIA HUNGARY** LATVIA LITHUANIA POLAND** ROMANIA SLOVAKIA SLOVENIA EU (New Members)........................... 98,767... ...103,059..... -4.2...... 506,192........... 460,861... .+9.8..........List Two adds this. EUROPEAN UNION*................... 1,295,064... .1,404,707..... -7.8... 6,736,952........ 6,791,573.... -0.8..........List ONE TOTAL TOTAL EUROPE (EU+EFTA)..... 1,334,081... 1,446,283..... -7.8... 6,919,190........ 6,969,408... -0.7..........LIST TWO TOTAL
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-13-2008 at 09:15 PM. |
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Too bad GM couldn't have done more than outperform the market slightly and Ford unfortunately was off slightly more than the average. But anytime toyoduhs sales are in the tank that is good news as they are way too big compared to other automakers. GM matches them in many ways but that profit differential is huge. I suspect Ford will get better as their new KA and Fiesta are close to launch.
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
Glad to see the Europeans for the most part hate Toyotas as much as I do.
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Re: Toyota Mot. Europe sales woes continue: -22.4% - Largest GROUP sales loss for MAY
I haven't looked at the individual stuff current or 'older', but I think the Yaris? is accounting for right around 1/2? of their TOTAL sales in Europe - including Lexus? - maybe just above or below that mark.
Another thing - they first opened up in Europe in 1963 (USA 1958) - look how small their numbers are compared to here in what is now the larger market. The effect of the unlevel playing field (AMERICA/Japan) and the deficit spending 'created' currency subsidies covers most of the difference - that and our direct payments to literally build their plants - Europe doesn't do that - they're not as easily corrupted to the same degree by Japan INC's double talkin' double doin' 'game'. Our people can crush them if we get rid of the deficits .
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-14-2008 at 03:46 PM. |
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