Toyota execs deny cover-up after feds rebuke automaker over runaway car investigation

[Mustapha Mond]

Toyoter pwned again! How sweet it is.

Oh and Dana 15... Plane wins, you stood no chance at all. Suck it up buttercup and move on.
-Elliott

[Dana_15]

Originally Posted by Mustapha Mond

Oh and Dana 15... Plane wins, you stood no chance at all. Suck it up buttercup and move on.
-Elliott

What are you talking about

[Hunid Racks]

Bottom line, who's cars and trucks are going out of control?

So blame the lawyers and media?

What none of the dismal Toyota apologists care to touch is the simple solutions. If this is all a matter of floormat clearance, fix it by changing the pedal. Why don't they? Toyota has given a half assed response that just doesn't make sense. That is unless the problem is someplace else in the vehicle.

[PocoToro]

Originally Posted by Hunid Racks

Bottom line, who's cars and trucks are going out of control?

So blame the lawyers and media?

What none of the dismal Toyota apologists care to touch is the simple solutions. If this is all a matter of floormat clearance, fix it by changing the pedal. Why don't they? Toyota has given a half assed response that just doesn't make sense. That is unless the problem is someplace else in the vehicle.

ding ding ding ding ding WE HAVE A WINNER......... (stuffed toy)

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by Hunid Racks

Bottom line, who's cars and trucks are going out of control?

So blame the lawyers and media?

What none of the dismal Toyota apologists care to touch is the simple solutions. If this is all a matter of floormat clearance, fix it by changing the pedal. Why don't they? Toyota has given a half assed response that just doesn't make sense. That is unless the problem is someplace else in the vehicle.

This is a simpler problem actually. Get rid of the All Weather floormats.

The carpetted floor mats that have been in every Toyota for 30 yrs aren't causing the problem and neither is the design of the pedal. I've actually checked a bunch of different vehicles from different makers, including GM, Honda and Chryslers. You can put your foot under the gas pedal on every one of them even with the OEM carpet mats installed.

This is NOT the problem.

As much as many of the haters and clowns would like the rest to believe ... there is no other problem either. There is nothing in the throttle code, nor the braking, nor the design of the shifter that is much different nor more dangerous in a Toyota as compared to other vehicles. It's all about the All Weather mats.

To be balanced though there are certainly improvements that can be made..

1. don't sell the damn All Weather mats and that family is still alive
2. don't put these mats in the vehicle incorrectly and the family is still alive
3. install smart pedals
4. change the labelling on the gear shifter
5. explain better how to shut down the vehicle

Smart pedals are the answer tho.

[DenCo]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

The carpetted floor mats that have been in every Toyota for 30 yrs aren't causing the problem and neither is the design of the pedal. I've actually checked a bunch of different vehicles from different makers, including GM, Honda and Chryslers. You can put your foot under the gas pedal on every one of them even with the OEM carpet mats installed.

This is NOT the problem.

As much as many of the haters and clowns would like the rest to believe ... there is no other problem either. There is nothing in the throttle code, nor the braking, nor the design of the shifter that is much different nor more dangerous in a Toyota as compared to other vehicles. It's all about the All Weather mats.

To be balanced though there are certainly improvements that can be made..

1. don't sell the damn All Weather mats and that family is still alive
2. don't put these mats in the vehicle incorrectly and the family is still alive
3. install smart pedals
4. change the labelling on the gear shifter
5. explain better how to shut down the vehicle

Smart pedals are the answer tho.

Toyota made the claim that the floor mats were the problem and the whole issue was done with, the NHTSA turned around and said "nuh-uh." Care to enlighten us, if there's no possibility that there could be any other cause to this problem, as to why the NHTSA is considering the case as still very much OPEN and even cited pedal and floorpan designs as possible trouble spots?

I suppose they're "haters" too?

[Suziebob]

So I have a question.

Why is the media barely picking up on this? Whenever the Ford rollover crap was going on, it was like mentioned on national news programs every night. There were "in depth" segments showing in shocking detail how you and your little cookie cutter suburban family would be brutally killed for absolutely no reason in a completely random fashion, if you bought a Ford.

There's a few articles on the internet about this, but the national news programs are, from what I've seen, not even touching this beyond maybe reporting on it once.

The only way to convince the brain dead sheep among us who still support Toyota is to put this everywhere, and if we can't count on the media to be "fair and balanced," then we might as well forget about it.

But you know, when the same interests who benefit from Toyota manufacturing in the US control much of the national media, what do you expect?

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by DenCo

Toyota made the claim that the floor mats were the problem and the whole issue was done with, the NHTSA turned around and said "nuh-uh." Care to enlighten us, if there's no possibility that there could be any other cause to this problem, as to why the NHTSA is considering the case as still very much OPEN and even cited pedal and floorpan designs as possible trouble spots?

I suppose they're "haters" too?

Two things. The dope(s) at Toyota that made the statements were way out of place. They embarrassed the NHTSA and for that they got slapped down by both the Feds and their own execs. Stupid move by some idiot(s).

But read the NHTSA's statement. It's the mats but they want Toyota to do more. They don't deny that the mats are the probable cause of the problem it's just that they want Toyota to redesign things so that when stupid people do stupid things ( the dealer in SD ) that there's a greater margin of error so that people don't get killed.

This will be finalized soon IMO and I'll bet that it's all about All Weather mats.

To help fight against stupid people doing stupid things such as stack All Weather mats on top of OEM mats and then not securing them in place the NHTSA will probably get Toyota to shave the gas pedal a half an inch or so.

There's already a warning on every set of OEM carpet mats that only the buyer is supposed to remove. The NHTSA required that warning after the 2007 recall. But people still ignore it. There's not much more that they can do. If people are going to be stupid then they are hard to control.

If it can be done on the existing vehicles a software update between the brake pedal and throttle might be installed. But it certainly will be done on all future vehicles ( as it will be on all GMs, Fords, Hondas and other vehicles ). This is what got the Feds so pissed IMO. They didn't get a chance to announce that they 'forced' Toyota to make improvements. Some bozo at Toyota stole the thunder by saying, 'an agreement's been made and it's just the mats'. Watch, I'd bet on it.

[Millefune]

Is Dana_15 our new resident Troll-yota?

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by Millefune

Is Dana_15 our new resident Troll-yota?

This is a thread about Toyota. Did you think that only viewers with one perspective would post in it. There are no private threads on GMI, it's a public forum. Mature people can discuss subjects with differing points of view without getting upset. Name-calling is a mark of immaturity.

Again this is a thread about Toyota. Why wouldn't you expect there to be different views, pro and con?

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by Suziebob

So I have a question.

Why is the media barely picking up on this? Whenever the Ford rollover crap was going on, it was like mentioned on national news programs every night. There were "in depth" segments showing in shocking detail how you and your little cookie cutter suburban family would be brutally killed for absolutely no reason in a completely random fashion, if you bought a Ford.

There's a few articles on the internet about this, but the national news programs are, from what I've seen, not even touching this beyond maybe reporting on it once.

The only way to convince the brain dead sheep among us who still support Toyota is to put this everywhere, and if we can't count on the media to be "fair and balanced," then we might as well forget about it.

But you know, when the same interests who benefit from Toyota manufacturing in the US control much of the national media, what do you expect?

You were out of the country this past week? ABC did a special on it. Welcome back.

/conspiracy theory

[Hunid Racks]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

This is a simpler problem actually. Get rid of the All Weather floormats.

The carpetted floor mats that have been in every Toyota for 30 yrs aren't causing the problem and neither is the design of the pedal. I've actually checked a bunch of different vehicles from different makers, including GM, Honda and Chryslers. You can put your foot under the gas pedal on every one of them even with the OEM carpet mats installed.

This is NOT the problem.

As much as many of the haters and clowns would like the rest to believe ... there is no other problem either. There is nothing in the throttle code, nor the braking, nor the design of the shifter that is much different nor more dangerous in a Toyota as compared to other vehicles. It's all about the All Weather mats.

To be balanced though there are certainly improvements that can be made..

1. don't sell the damn All Weather mats and that family is still alive
2. don't put these mats in the vehicle incorrectly and the family is still alive
3. install smart pedals
4. change the labelling on the gear shifter
5. explain better how to shut down the vehicle

Smart pedals are the answer tho.

Wrong again.

If this is a matter of the amount of clearance between the floor and the pedal they have two choices and ONLY two choices. Take a big hammer and beat the crap out of the floor to make more clearance or install a pedal with more clearance. Removing floormats isn't going to cure a pedal fouled by debris or other anything else a customer may track into a car.

But the problem isn't a given that it is clearance.

I wouldn't give Toyota the credit for telling the whole story, why should anybody else? They've already gotten themselves into the ringer for trying to mess with NHTSA, they're on a roll.

Can this be a problem with software or infiltration into the vehicle's wiring harness? Anybody that says it is not is wrong. Of course any admission on their part would open them to ungodly amounts of liability. Better try every single desperate measure to avoid responsibility.

Of course if I was trying to sell these cars with this stigma attached to them I too would be spreading every possible line of bull to move this crap out the door.

[Hunid Racks]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Two things. The dope(s) at Toyota that made the statements were way out of place. They embarrassed the NHTSA and for that they got slapped down by both the Feds and their own execs. Stupid move by some idiot(s).

But read the NHTSA's statement. It's the mats but they want Toyota to do more. They don't deny that the mats are the probable cause of the problem it's just that they want Toyota to redesign things so that when stupid people do stupid things ( the dealer in SD ) that there's a greater margin of error so that people don't get killed.

This will be finalized soon IMO and I'll bet that it's all about All Weather mats.

To help fight against stupid people doing stupid things such as stack All Weather mats on top of OEM mats and then not securing them in place the NHTSA will probably get Toyota to shave the gas pedal a half an inch or so.

There's already a warning on every set of OEM carpet mats that only the buyer is supposed to remove. The NHTSA required that warning after the 2007 recall. But people still ignore it. There's not much more that they can do. If people are going to be stupid then they are hard to control.

If it can be done on the existing vehicles a software update between the brake pedal and throttle might be installed. But it certainly will be done on all future vehicles ( as it will be on all GMs, Fords, Hondas and other vehicles ). This is what got the Feds so pissed IMO. They didn't get a chance to announce that they 'forced' Toyota to make improvements. Some bozo at Toyota stole the thunder by saying, 'an agreement's been made and it's just the mats'. Watch, I'd bet on it.

Oh I agree, the mighty and perfect Toyota has been sabotaged by the unscrupulous floormat industry.

Why not just send in Godzilla and have him stomp out all the evil floormat manufacturers in the United States?

[Suziebob]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

You were out of the country this past week? ABC did a special on it. Welcome back.

/conspiracy theory

I might as well have been, I was at college.

But who else is covering it? What percentage of news viewership does ABC have now? Is it in single digits yet?

[Burnout Czar]

Originally Posted by Dana_15

What are you talking about

Dana_15 you are a clown, face it Toyota lost their mojo and is now just another regular automaker with quality problems and a boring lineup. Get over it you lost.