Toyota Corolla, Matrix, and Camry losin' their A.p.p.e.a.l.

[Power630]

Originally Posted by windvale

If we don't like what he's saying, why don't we all just whimp out again and ban him from this site ?

Yes, Thats what GM people like to do. If you do not agree with them they will kick you out. Sooner or later they will wake up and their company will be gone because they would not listen to other people they would just ignore them. But GM time is coming to an end. IT is coming to an end because GM refused to listen to customer complainced. They just ignore them.

[plane]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Your last point....Your're wrong. But don't let that stop you from posting, the exchange of ideas is scintillating.

Originally Posted by TheAutoChannel

TORRANCE, Calif., June 3 -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported May sales of 257,404 vehicles, a decrease of 7.9 percent from last May, on a daily selling rate basis.

There were 27 selling days this month, as compared to 26 selling days last May.

Yes the Corolla was up. Which small car isn't in this environment?
And again you are incorrect. And not very scintillating at that.
As I factually posted, and the link bears out, Toyota was down 7.9%.
Of course if you are aware of a time when Toyota took a bigger dump, fill us in.
Geez.
I thought Toyota going backwards was umpossible?

[BGH]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Outside of the 6 spd tranny in the initial year's production the rest of the entire production of 4c/5 spds and the hybrids have all been dead solid perfect. There are no issues with them. Remember the CamCords are primarily 4c models. After that first year there have been no followup issues on the 6 spds. The programming was modified...the problems went away.

If things were that bad there's no way that the Camry would be setting record after record with all the other good choices available. As has been noted here the Camry is middle of the pack with multiple vehicles apparently far better than it. But it still sells like mad. WTF is going on?

Maybe, just maybe, the buying public has a different perception.

Didn't CR take away Toyota's automatic recommended status because of their new models including the Camry? Didn't J.D. give it lower quality ratings.

Just sit in one and come and tell me its interior is as good or better than the old one. It isn't. I've drove a few and they all had some issues. The older ones were the better made car. Same story with new Hondas.

[2012Aveo]

If Toyotas are loosing their appeal how is Toyota raking in record profits while GM is having record loses. Some of you GM fans spend more time bad mouthing Toyota here and at Toyotanation than discussing ways how GM should re-invent itself in the new $4.00+ per gallon gasoline world.

[plane]

Originally Posted by 2012Aveo

If Toyotas are loosing their appeal how is Toyota raking in record profits while GM is having record loses. Some of you GM fans spend more time bad mouthing Toyota here and at Toyotanation than discussing ways how GM should re-invent itself in the new $4.00+ per gallon gasoline world.

And we have a winner for breaking in at the last minute,
posting hastily,
completely lacking any understanding of what this thread is about,
refusing to read any posts.
and then leaving in a huff.

Well done.

[andy82471]

Originally Posted by plane

Yes the Corolla was up. Which small car isn't in this environment?
And again you are incorrect. And not very scintillating at that.
As I factually posted, and the link bears out, Toyota was down 7.9%.
Of course if you are aware of a time when Toyota took a bigger dump, fill us in.
Geez.
I thought Toyota going backwards was umpossible?

Are you stupid or pretend to be one ? Yes Toyota sales were down in the US in may compare to last May but how many other automaker that sell full BOF pickup trucks and SUVs actually posted gain? And how much was GM off in May compare to 07. Your head is deep inside GM's ass. If you were running GM they would have been bankrupt a long time ago

[marinerbc]

You'd think with that stable of cars, he'd be literate. Then again, maybe Daimler is in for record "loses" too, given how bad their reliability is lately. Or maybe it's a family member of his that's "loose", and we should show him some sympathy. And for the record, I hate the grammar/spelling police too, most of the time.

Test drove a new Camry the other day (Thursday, I believe) and it is in no way a match for the '06s I drove recently, interior wise.

[plane]

Originally Posted by andy82471

Are you stupid or pretend to be one ? Yes Toyota sales were down in the US in may compare to last May but how many other automaker that sell full BOF pickup trucks and SUVs actually posted gain? And how much was GM off in May compare to 07. Your head is deep inside GM's ass. If you were running GM they would have been bankrupt a long time ago

Nancy,
Are your panties in a bunch?

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with GM.
I made a factual point.
You can snarl and gnash and act the petulant child all you want.
But when did Toyota ever decline in sales more than last month?

Yeah.
Uhhuh.
Go to the back of the line.

[plane]

Originally Posted by marinerbc

You'd think with that stable of cars, he'd be literate. Then again, maybe Daimler is in for record "loses" too, given how bad their reliability is lately. Or maybe it's a family member of his that's "loose", and we should show him some sympathy. And for the record, I hate the grammar/spelling police too, most of the time.

Test drove a new Camry the other day (Thursday, I believe) and it is in no way a match for the '06s I drove recently, interior wise.

he's loost it. bwahahahahahaha.
nice one marinerbc. can't get up, rofl right now.

[CharlotteFirebird]

Originally Posted by 2012Aveo

If Toyotas are loosing their appeal how is Toyota raking in record profits while GM is having record loses. Some of you GM fans spend more time bad mouthing Toyota here and at Toyotanation than discussing ways how GM should re-invent itself in the new $4.00+ per gallon gasoline world.

Boo-hoo.

[CharlotteFirebird]

Actually, the surprising thing is that it appears that Corollas, Matrices, and Camrys had appeal at some point in time.

And for all of you Toyota fans, please name one Toyota (not Lexus) in last 10 years that was "inspiring" or "had passion." <insert crickets chirping>

Oh, the Corolla is exciting <ZZZZZZZZZZ>, especially with the tacky plastic glued on

...okay, well then, the Camry, now, there's an exciting car...especially with the previous generation where the pipe approximately under the back seat is about to hit the ground.

OK, OK...wll how about Ter(d)cel? That was a winner!!! Maybe that was more than 10 years ago...it's just a timeless classic now.

The Tundra?? Ugly and a gashog...but I thought Toyota liked the environment.

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by marinerbc

You'd think with that stable of cars, he'd be literate. Then again, maybe Daimler is in for record "loses" too, given how bad their reliability is lately. Or maybe it's a family member of his that's "loose", and we should show him some sympathy. And for the record, I hate the grammar/spelling police too, most of the time.

Test drove a new Camry the other day (Thursday, I believe) and it is in no way a match for the '06s I drove recently, interior wise.

This is perception but I'll grant that for the two vehicles in question, both of which are very price-sensitive, they have [lessened, cheapened, decontented, take your pick] the interiors. Why? Price-sensitive! The Koreans are very strong competitors and at the time they were very price agressive.

In the case of the Camry the Gen6 was the Gen of the V6/6Spd and the hybrid model. The I4 was basically unchanged from 2002. The high volume LE 2.4L was competing against the Accord and Altima and Mazda6, its natural competitors. However the new Fusion had just come out and immediately Ford graced it with $2000 rebates. The last gen Malibu was finisihing its life with $3000-$4000 rebates. The Sonata was always content-heavy and low-priced. Into this price-sensitive environment the LE 2.4L came with 7 airbags, tilt and telescoping SW, AUX.

The outgoing Gen 5 LE was sold at about $21500 MSRP less a $500 rebate, less local discounts. It had 2 airbags, ABS brakes, a CD player and not much else.

Again if content is to be added and the price kept the same to stay in line with the rest something has to give. In this case again it was the interiors. They're OK but nothing to get excited about. However all the excitement is about the new V6 which at the time was the class of the industry ( the rest have caught up now ) and of course the hybrid version which is the future. The LE 2.4L took a backseat to the new stars on the block. Each of these now is about 15-20% of total sales and total sales have increased since 2006.

The hybrid version is simply the class of the entire industry in this segment. There is nothing else like it ( except its Nissan clone ). It has V6 power and fuel economy that's better than a Corolla or Civic or Sentra. It's the future of all midsized vehicles in some 5-10 yrs, ( Malibu/Aura 2-Modes, Fusion/Milan hybrids, Altima hybrid, Sonata hybrid ). The proof is that it's sold out at MSRP. Hello $4 gas. Pretty good foresight and timing there.

Here's a heads up. The next change is in the I4 engine and powertrain.

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by CharlotteFirebird

Actually, the surprising thing is that it appears that Corollas, Matrices, and Camrys had appeal at some point in time.

And for all of you Toyota fans, please name one Toyota (not Lexus) in last 10 years that was "inspiring" or "had passion." <insert crickets chirping>

Oh, the Corolla is exciting <ZZZZZZZZZZ>, especially with the tacky plastic glued on

...okay, well then, the Camry, now, there's an exciting car...especially with the previous generation where the pipe approximately under the back seat is about to hit the ground.

OK, OK...wll how about Ter(d)cel? That was a winner!!! Maybe that was more than 10 years ago...it's just a timeless classic now.

The Tundra?? Ugly and a gashog...but I thought Toyota liked the environment.

I thought that was exactly what I said several posts back. Neither is inspiring or laden with passion. They're driving tools. I have another driving tool as well, it's called a hammer. It's dented scratched and dirty sitting on a hook in a garage. When I need it I use it and it does the job everytime. I don't love it or hate it or 'anything' it. It's a darn tool. Who cares.

Ahhh the auto enthusiast has his fur stand up on his back. Sacrilege!! Heretic!! Find the nearest stake!! OK I'll recant...

But yes you are exactly correct. They don't inspire or generate passion. They make money. That's the only purpose of a commercial endeavor.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by plane

Yes the Corolla was up. Which small car isn't in this environment?
And again you are incorrect. And not very scintillating at that.
As I factually posted, and the link bears out, Toyota was down 7.9%.
Of course if you are aware of a time when Toyota took a bigger dump, fill us in.
Geez.
I thought Toyota going backwards was umpossible?

Hello plane - no criticism intended whatsoever, but all we know - until 'somebody' posts up sales data derived from registrations - RL Polk, Wards etc - which breaks out the Matrix from the Corolla - is that the Corolla AND Matrix together are up - compared to together previously - for the month of MAY2008.

We also know however, that the undynamic duo is still down for the YTD BY A CONSIDERABLE -9.5% - even with the fuel prices we've had for all of 2008.



Phish was going to mention that at some point - honest.

Just like he was going to correct, qualify, and clarify his spin about the Camry/ Solara sales performance.

TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
May, 2008

.......................----- CURRENT MONTH -- -- ------- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
.................................................. ................DSR %.......................................... DSR %
..............................2008.......... 2007........... CHG...... ....2008........... 2007..........CHG

YARIS.................... .14,397...... .10,949......... 26.6........... .56,208..... ..37,367....... 48.1
COROLLA/MATRIX......52,826........45,238........ 12.4....... ....152,308... ..165,722....... -9.5
CAMRY/SOLARA.........51,291.... ...50,126........ -1.5.... .......198,309... ..193,900........ 0.7
AVALON.................... 4,269......... 6,435....... -36.1........ ....21,273.... ...31,861...... -34.3
PRIUS...... ...............15,011........24,009....... -39.8.............79,675.........76,747........ 2.2
SCION xA....................... 4......... .1,297..... ..-99.7................. 35............8,096..... -99.6
SCION xB...................5,351......... 3,658........ 40.9.............21,241..... ..13,331....... 56.9
SCION tC...................5,166........ .6,615....... -24.8...... ......19,575..... ..27,041...... -28.7
SCION xD... ...............4,337............... 0............ -..............13,153.............. -............ -

Worth noting, look how weak they were thru April2008 - even with fleet sales and incentives - and at 3.20$ plus/gallon gasoline costs.

COROLLA/MATRIX 32,435 32,289 -7.3 99,482 120,484 -18.2

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by CharlotteFirebird

And for all of you Toyota fans, please name one Toyota (not Lexus) in last 10 years that was "inspiring" or "had passion." <insert crickets chirping>

Please, I am not even much of a Toyota "fan" in the way some folks are, but I am not going to let you get off this easy. Let's see 10 years ago was 1998......that means the Supra TT was still for sale in America (admittedly it was AT only that year if memory serves). In 2000 Toyota released a new Celica. Now I'm not going to tell you those Celicas were the best cars ever made, but they were very fun to drive....inspiring: yes. Passion? Give me a break..... there's but like 4 new cars that have "passion" (Corvette Z06/ZR-1, Bugatt Veyron, Ferarri Modena, and Masseratti Quadroporte)......Passion is an absurd word to use in a mass produced vehicle.

Is Toyota weak on exciting vehicles. Hell yes, but you threw a challenge, and I answered it.