Toyota Corolla, Matrix, and Camry losin' their A.p.p.e.a.l.

[FenwickHockey65]

Won't be long now...keep doing what you're doing toyota, you're only destroying yourself and making me happy.

[Ttple]

Originally Posted by Xenon

and another question, since when do economy cars sell based on appeal? THey sell based on low price, features, and good fuel economy. This isn't a luxury car segment.

An appealing economy car is more attractive to consumers than a dorky looking economy car.

[BGH]

Well I guess the question i have is where did the camry place in previous years? I doubt it was very high. And I think we are all forgeting the Malibu and Accord just came out a few months ago.

[plane]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

Meanwhile, there is a big fat flattop in sight - and underneath.

Right on.
Bring on that flat-top.

Originally Posted by BGH

Well I guess the question i have is where did the camry place in previous years? I doubt it was very high. And I think we are all forgeting the Malibu and Accord just came out a few months ago.

To answer your question with another....

When did the current generation Camry arrive?

anyone?
anyone?

[Vladimir1978]

Originally Posted by plane

The Appeal ratings are significant because they forecast future demand.

And when the new Corolla ranks right up there at the bottom of the scale, that is not such a good thing.

As was pointed out already, you don't even read your own cut/paste jobs. The study did not have data for the 2009 Corolla.

That being said, the APEAL ratings do not forecast future demand. All they do is gauge advertising impact and how much of a splash a new model has made.The Camry hasn't been on the list for 3 years now. Last year Saturn was the second highest riser- how did that work out for them? Two years ago, the Chevy Monte Carlo was runner up in sporty car.

Yeah, keep slinging mud instead of just liking what you like. It's doing a lot of good.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Vladimir1978

As was pointed out already, you don't even read your own cut/paste jobs. The study did not have data for the 2009 Corolla.

That being said, the APEAL ratings do not forecast future demand. All they do is gauge advertising impact and how much of a splash a new model has made.The Camry hasn't been on the list for 3 years now. Last year Saturn was the second highest riser- how did that work out for them? Two years ago, the Chevy Monte Carlo was runner up in sporty car.

Yeah, keep slinging mud instead of just liking what you like. It's doing a lot of good.

Hey, hold on, lay off plane.

I posted it, I'm owning it, and I will get clarification.

Plane, I believe that the 6th generation (current) Camry was officially released as a MYR 2007 on 1OCTOBER2007. <Late add -this is wrong - this is the date for the MYR2008 release. The current 6th gen Camry deliveries started sometime between 3MARCH2006 and 3April2006 as MYR 2007s. >



It is somewhat more difficult to pin down accurately exactly when the 2009 was 'officially' and 'finally' released.

[plane]

Originally Posted by Vladimir1978

As was pointed out already, you don't even read your own cut/paste jobs. The study did not have data for the 2009 Corolla.

That being said, the APEAL ratings do not forecast future demand. All they do is gauge advertising impact and how much of a splash a new model has made.The Camry hasn't been on the list for 3 years now. Last year Saturn was the second highest riser- how did that work out for them? Two years ago, the Chevy Monte Carlo was runner up in sporty car.

Yeah, keep slinging mud instead of just liking what you like. It's doing a lot of good.

Wrong again.
The ratings have nothing to do with advertising impact.
The ratings are determined by consumer survey responses.
You're still spinning.

2008 vs. 2009 is a big deal.
Consumers voted and put the Corolla 16th.
Glad that model is on the way out.
However, the 2009 Camry looks just like the 2008.

And your post didn't have anything to do with 2008 vs. 2009
so don't try to take credit for Grifter's work.

Finally, your absurdity is quite telling.
You contend that these rankings have no correlation with future demand.
The earlier comparison to the Citation is apt.
As long as Toyota delivers a sub-par product that compares unfavorably to the competition,
Toyota's reputation and sales will decline in tandem.

[plane]

Originally Posted by JD Powers Press Release

APEAL complements the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), which focuses
on problems experienced by owners during the first 90 days of ownership. APEAL examines how gratifying a
new vehicle is to own and drive, based on owner evaluations of 10 measures, encompassing more than 90 vehicle
attributes. Over the years, vehicle models achieving high APEAL scores have been shown to benefit from faster
sales, reduced need for consumer incentives and higher margins on each vehicle sold.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...df/2008078.pdf

[Vladimir1978]

Originally Posted by plane

Finally, your absurdity is quite telling.
You contend that these rankings have no correlation with future demand.
The earlier comparison to the Citation is apt.

The fanboys will never understand. Toyota products are aimed for the middle of the bell curve, and with their reliability history and the halo they've rightfully earned over the last 20 years, the only way they'll fall is if they make a series of huge missteps and/or quality blunders. Nothing in the last few years equates to anything of the sort, and even if it did, it won't just be one model cycle that will do it, just like GM didn't go in the tank after one bad generation of vehicles.

Now, answer the question- if the rankings correlate with future demand, please tell me how Saturn continues to have poor sales after being on the list last year, and why Chevy did something so stupid as to axe the Monte Carlo. There are more examples by the way- just throwing those two out there. These lists are akin to 'buzz'- that's why they're directly tied to advertising and new model rollouts, a point that has eluded you. In 2 years when a new Camry comes out and it's on top of this list, while the 2 year old Malibu is ranked #10, I'm sure we'll be having this same discussion.

[Vladimir1978]

Originally Posted by plane

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...df/2008078.pdf

And if you read a GM press release, last month was an up month. So what?

[Mr. Burns]

How can you rate something like appeal, something that is subjective? Unless I'm missing something.

[plane]

Originally Posted by Vladimir1978

And if you read a GM press release, last month was an up month. So what?

No, no, no.
Just more proof that you don't even know what you are talking about.
See your earlier post.

You can place your head in the sand, but as long as Toyota is out-maneuvered, out-executed and out-performed by its rivals,
including GM as much as it pains you to hear this,
Toyota is going to lose sales.

Yes, that may not happen immediately,
and it may only be an 84% correlation with APEAL ratings
instead of the 100% you seem to stridently demand.

The Toyota mediocrity that you seem to champion will eventually catch up.
It's not a matter of "if" but "when".

[Vladimir1978]

Originally Posted by plane

No, no, no.
Just more proof that you don't even know what you are talking about.
See your earlier post.

No, it's just more proof that the further GM falls into a hole financially, the more that people like you will pretty much cease being fans of GM and become haters of Toyota. As the numbers have gotten worse, these types of threads have become more prevalent. It's sad to see really. Instead of concentrating on the good, all you're left to do is concentrate on the bad of others.

At the end of the day, Toyota is still making money hand over fist and selling every Camry and Corolla they can, while GM is losing money and putting up 0% financing deals. Tout all the APEAL surveys you want, that's truth.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by plane

No, no, no.
Just more proof that you don't even know what you are talking about.
See your earlier post.

You can place your head in the sand, but as long as Toyota is out-maneuvered, out-executed and out-performed by its rivals,
including GM as much as it pains you to hear this,
Toyota is going to lose sales.

Yes, that may not happen immediately,
and it may only be an 84% correlation with APEAL ratings
instead of the 100% you seem to stridently demand.

The Toyota mediocrity that you seem to champion will eventually catch up.
It's not a matter of "if" but "when".

...you didn't really answer his questions.

[BGH]

Originally Posted by plane

Right on.
Bring on that flat-top.



To answer your question with another....

When did the current generation Camry arrive?

anyone?
anyone?

My questions was where did previous camrys place. I have no idea how that second question answers mine, but the camry came out early in the spring of 07. I think it was April.

The Accord was officially released in september 2008 and the malibu came out after that.