Tough times for Jaguar Dealers

megeebee · 02-06-2006, 04:23 PM

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1003&refsect=

Bravada · 02-06-2006, 08:48 PM

There are standalone Jag dealers? What a stupidity! I thought there were only Jag-Land Rover - it only makes sense that way.

Anyway - poor Jag dealers and poor Jaguar themselves. Ford has been doing great with Mazda, Volvo and LR, but somehow they were always a bit lost with Jag. I hope Bibiana knows what she's doing - at least she acknowledges the exact mistakes Jag made.

asim · 02-06-2006, 09:05 PM

I feel sorry for the whole Jag division...

**nadepalma** · 02-06-2006, 09:22 PM

They're right about rushing the X-Type to market too fast and delivering it half-baked. They should have studied this more. I personally like the X-Type -- thought I think it should have more unique styling and greater appeal than just being a shrunken XJ in appearance. But I can certainly see why the critics disliked it.

free_energy0 · 02-06-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nadepalma

They're right about rushing the X-Type to market too fast and delivering it half-baked. They should have studied this more. I personally like the X-Type -- thought I think it should have more unique styling and greater appeal than just being a shrunken XJ in appearance. But I can certainly see why the critics disliked it.

Their making the same mistake with the Zephyr. On the other hand, its going to be hard to drag down Lincoln, simply because it does not have much prestige to begin with.

Bravada · 02-06-2006, 10:24 PM

At least here in Europe, the outside looks of the X-Type weren't a problem - people wanted a Jag that looked like a Jag and that's what they got. The problem is once you step inside you get a poor imitation of Jag interior that looks even worse than the Mondeo itself (Mondeo actually has a nice interior). The X-Type also wasn't that amusing to drive, so the automotive press derided it as an "expensive Mondeo" (just as if the A4 wasn't an expensive Passat) and so the story ended before it began. FWD 2.0 didn't help either.

Seriously, I never heard anybody complaining about the X-Type's look. A lot of people I know have issues with the S-Type, even if it's some throwback to old Jags, but most people I know really love how Jag skillfully applied their styling cues to a much smaller vehicle. I know a person who actually bought one just because of the great looks and despite being perfectly aware of all deficiencies.

Ford's plan is to drag Lincoln down, as much as I hate it. They seem to be doing quite well with it, but had they made it as sleek as the concept (and perhaps RWD, on the DEW98), they wouldn't have to step down - they'd rather step up and kick Caddy's, well, buttocks.

**mgescuro** · 02-06-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravada

There are standalone Jag dealers? What a stupidity! I thought there were only Jag-Land Rover - it only makes sense that way.

Anyway - poor Jag dealers and poor Jaguar themselves. Ford has been doing great with Mazda, Volvo and LR, but somehow they were always a bit lost with Jag. I hope Bibiana knows what she's doing - at least she acknowledges the exact mistakes Jag made.

In San Francisco it's "British Motors." So every British car is sold there. Ironically, Infiniti is also sold there.

Jaguar product is en route. Poor standalone Jaguar dealers.

I'd buy an XJ8 Super 8 Portfolio from one of them if I could.

jokuvaan · 02-07-2006, 04:14 AM

I dont expect Jaguar to disappear but it will get smaller and might be sold.

Elk · 02-07-2006, 02:20 PM

[Bean Counter]Let’s base the new Jag on a cheap FWD platform so we can make lots and lots of money people are to dumb to know the difference[/Bean Counter]

megeebee · 02-07-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elk

[Bean Counter]Let’s base the new Jag on a cheap FWD platform so we can make lots and lots of money people are to dumb to know the difference[/Bean Counter]

Why not? It worked for the Lincoln Zephyr (called MKZ from next year on)

**ChevroletRevived** · 02-07-2006, 04:30 PM

Jaguar has alot of problems. They have been mismanaged...they are unclear of their mission, unfocused and without direction. It's going to take something major to bring them back into contention. Jaguar really is one of those ''lost'' brands. They have been a drag to Ford financially. The new XK is nice and well done, but lacking in distinction. I don't know about Jag. I just hope Ford can sort out their problems....

**ChevroletRevived** · 02-07-2006, 04:35 PM

I guess they are pinning their hopes on the new S-type...it better be good, if Jag is to survive.

kool_zx3 · 02-07-2006, 05:42 PM

There are 4000 orders in already for the new XK. The XKR is suppose to be unveiled later this year at an auto show, Geneva maybe?

megeebee · 02-08-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kool_zx3

There are 4000 orders in already for the new XK. The XKR is suppose to be unveiled later this year at an auto show, Geneva maybe?

That's not going to help much. According to Automotive News, total Jaguar sales last year were about 30,000 cars. That's just half of its peak in 2002 of just over 60,000.

1BadPig · 02-08-2006, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kool_zx3

There are 4000 orders in already for the new XK. The XKR is suppose to be unveiled later this year at an auto show, Geneva maybe?

They'll need to better than that... can't imagine more people wanting the new Taurus Coupe though

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Bravada 70 MPG Two Mode Saturn Hybrid Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 10,839	Re: Tough times for Jaguar Dealers There are standalone Jag dealers? What a stupidity! I thought there were only Jag-Land Rover - it only makes sense that way. Anyway - poor Jag dealers and poor Jaguar themselves. Ford has been doing great with Mazda, Volvo and LR, but somehow they were always a bit lost with Jag. I hope Bibiana knows what she's doing - at least she acknowledges the exact mistakes Jag made.

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nadepalma GMI Staff Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,630	Re: Tough times for Jaguar Dealers They're right about rushing the X-Type to market too fast and delivering it half-baked. They should have studied this more. I personally like the X-Type -- thought I think it should have more unique styling and greater appeal than just being a shrunken XJ in appearance. But I can certainly see why the critics disliked it. __________________ Email: nadepalma@gminsidenews.com "La vita è come un albero di Natale..c'è sempre qualcuno che ti rompe le palle!" "You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves" -Abraham Lincoln "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried" -Winston Churchill "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress" -John Adams

02-06-2006, 10:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bravada 70 MPG Two Mode Saturn Hybrid Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 10,839	Re: Tough times for Jaguar Dealers At least here in Europe, the outside looks of the X-Type weren't a problem - people wanted a Jag that looked like a Jag and that's what they got. The problem is once you step inside you get a poor imitation of Jag interior that looks even worse than the Mondeo itself (Mondeo actually has a nice interior). The X-Type also wasn't that amusing to drive, so the automotive press derided it as an "expensive Mondeo" (just as if the A4 wasn't an expensive Passat) and so the story ended before it began. FWD 2.0 didn't help either. Seriously, I never heard anybody complaining about the X-Type's look. A lot of people I know have issues with the S-Type, even if it's some throwback to old Jags, but most people I know really love how Jag skillfully applied their styling cues to a much smaller vehicle. I know a person who actually bought one just because of the great looks and despite being perfectly aware of all deficiencies. Ford's plan is to drag Lincoln down, as much as I hate it. They seem to be doing quite well with it, but had they made it as sleek as the concept (and perhaps RWD, on the DEW98), they wouldn't have to step down - they'd rather step up and kick Caddy's, well, buttocks.

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ChevroletRevived GMI Staff Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Good Ol United States of America Posts: 8,863	Re: Tough times for Jaguar Dealers Jaguar has alot of problems. They have been mismanaged...they are unclear of their mission, unfocused and without direction. It's going to take something major to bring them back into contention. Jaguar really is one of those ''lost'' brands. They have been a drag to Ford financially. The new XK is nice and well done, but lacking in distinction. I don't know about Jag. I just hope Ford can sort out their problems.... __________________ GMI's Revitalization in Action Director Check out our latest lineup by Clicking Here If you've got inside news and would like to be a GMInsider, send me a private message or email me HERE.

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