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    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    Their sales were in the toilet just as much as Lincoln's is today after you take away the heavy fleet sales of Cadillac then and remember that there were more older people alive to buy that type of car.
    10 years ago Cadillac sold some 200K cars with the then-new CTS selling as fast as they could be made. When was the last time they could only move 80K in a year like LIncoln today?

    And Cadillac fleet sales were never as extreme as Lincolns. 10 years ago 75% of all Town Cars were rental/Livery sales. The Deville was never that unpopular at retail.

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    The new Fusion has gained exactly no traction in relation to the segment leaders, and if anything the Camry, Altima, and Accord are even further ahead than before.
    Really? I thought I saw a nice jump in January.

    Weel, regardless, I still congratulate Ford on a job well done.
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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg.Botts View Post
    “Cadillac kicks the living s*** out of Lincoln”
    Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar kick the living s*** out of Cadillac and Lincoln. You're a very arrogant person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    Remember Cadillac 10 years ago? That's where Lincoln is today.


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    Sadly were one to go back an additional 5 years Lincoln was in a battle for the luxury title in the US. I saw the writing on the wall many years ago when Lincoln was unceremoniously excommunicated from PAG under the tutelage of Nasser.

    Quote Originally Posted by nruggiero View Post
    Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar kick the living s*** out of Cadillac and Lincoln. You're a very arrogant person.
    Whilst his language is a bit abrasive in this case Cadillac does today easily shade Lincoln in almost every way.
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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    I think MKZ sales will surprise a lot of people. I fully expect them to sell atleast 30000 a year..

    I am worried about the ATS....

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    Whilst his language is a bit abrasive in this case Cadillac does today easily shade Lincoln in almost every way.
    Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Lexus easily shades both Cadillac and Lincoln in every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    The new Fusion has gained exactly no traction in relation to the segment leaders, and if anything the Camry, Altima, and Accord are even further ahead than before.
    So being up 70% is not gaining traction? Mind you that with one plant compared to Accord and Camry that have multiple.


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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    So being up 70% is not gaining traction? Mind you that with one plant compared to Accord and Camry that have multiple.


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    In your opinion does the phrase in relation to hold no merit?

    Quote Originally Posted by nruggiero View Post
    Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Lexus easily shades both Cadillac and Lincoln in every way.

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Wait until "buyers" find out the reason for the delay on their cars ...

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by akbar View Post
    I think MKZ sales will surprise a lot of people. I fully expect them to sell atleast 30000 a year..
    That would be about what the first gen did on average, isn't it?

    I am worried about the ATS....
    I wouldn't be...............quite yet. It is still very new and in a market segment new to Cadillac.

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by megeebee View Post
    That would be about what the first gen did on average, isn't it?.
    Well yes, but at a much better ATP against a much better competition and strengthening the brand image . If it does that it will bring in a nice chunk of profits for Ford.

    Quote Originally Posted by megeebee View Post
    I wouldn't be...............quite yet. It is still very new and in a market segment new to Cadillac.
    Well it is replacing the original 2002 CTS price slot.. so it needs to duplicate its sales performance. If it does not it could mean it is too small for Caddy customers taste..
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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
    Remember Cadillac 10 years ago? That's where Lincoln is today.


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    Cadillac was selling a lot of cars in 2003 thanks to the CTS, Escalade, and Deville.

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Among middle aged or older luxury car buyers, who besides a die hard Ford loyalist who got off on Continentals and Town cars would throw down a serious chunk of change on a Lincoln? Even as far as Cadillac has come, it is only recently that it has earned its way to the very fringes of serious consideration as a semi-legitimate alternative to the marques of luxury such as Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, even Lexus. Really need to be a USA homer to put a Caddy in the driveway of an upscale neighborhood surrounded by Germanic and Asian offerings.

    Even Cadillac has admitted they have miles to go before it is perceived as a mainstream legitimate luxury car, no matter how good the product.

    So where does that leave Lincoln? Maybe well-off younger people who have a counter culture mentality or have no historical perspective regarding the heritage of true luxury offerings will be mesmerized by slick ads and flashy styling but those who really cherish the finer things of life would laugh themselves silly if someone would suggest they trade their Mercedes for a Lincoln. And if you are in the market for a PERFORMANCE luxury sedan....well.....

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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    IDK why people are still suggesting Lincoln is after another brand, but they themselves have said they're not. They are simply trying to find (or create) a market, not penetrate an existing one.
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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    The new Fusion has gained exactly no traction in relation to the segment leaders, and if anything the Camry, Altima, and Accord are even further ahead than before.
    Fusion was 4th on the list, there are more below it than above...if you get my meaning

    Lincoln is going overboard with final inspections and the delays are costing MKZ golden weeks to impress
    new buyers but no doubt the wait is worth it to get the product right, production in January rose above
    1600 so all of those are passing through final QA in Flat Rock Inspection Point on their way to dealerships.
    Some early builds were inspected at Hermosillo and went to USA dealerships but the task overwhelmed
    them, final QA was shifted FRAP to clear the back log.
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    Re: Lincoln to pay dealers for MKZ delays

    Quote Originally Posted by MCGARRETT View Post
    And here I was thinking Mually and Ford did everything right....
    Why do you come into every non-GM thread and whine like a spoiled child? Your posts in the last few Chrysler threads reeked of your own insecurity.

    Ford has a plant that is running at full capacity and the cars are already ear marked. Wow, what a problem to have! Must be the result of real horrendous management.
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    Goldman Sachs and Ford orchestrated a smear / rumor campaign against the Corvair - well over a year before it came out so this is really nothing except another performance of.....

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