Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun !

[markusername]

Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas

Also, notice the stock value of Toyota's stocks



If it still continue to drops, I wonder.....

Perhaps you can also post GM's stock price during the same time! That should be good for a few laughs...

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

GM has either already (JUNE) or will 'next' month (JULY) gain back the 159,000 it needs to regain the WORLDWIDE title.

At the same time, may be they will also capture the WORLDWIDE title of one of the BIGGEST LOSERS (in Billion US$).

I just can't comprehend how the GM fans can be so blind that they do not see the obvious. Why would you care being number 1 in sales when you're losing massive amount of money year after year.

Our worst is mostly over, and theirs is mostly about to begin.

How high do you have to be to conceive a thought like this?

[AkSean]

Originally Posted by markusername

Perhaps you can also post GM's stock price during the same time! That should be good for a few laughs...

Not looking so good.

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[DuallyMan]

Y'all are a bunch of stupid fools. If Toyota's sell slows down in the US, they still make billions in profit.

[1931Chevy]

I think that Toyota has succeeded and that was on becoming and American Automaker

[Ttple]

Korean cars are hurting Toyota, and one day Chinese cars will hurt them even more.

[eurohazard]

Originally Posted by Ttple

Korean cars are hurting Toyota, and one day Chinese cars will hurt them even more.

I don't understand statements like this. I would say Korean cars are affecting Toyota.......but I would hardly say "hurting". Have you seen the Camry and Corolla sales figures? What are they #2 and #3 I believe for the month of June? It took Hyundai 20 years to earn my respect. If, or more likely when Chinese cars come here, I fully expect crap for 5 years or so, and maybe some respect in 20 or so years. That's my thoughts anyway.

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas

Also, notice the stock value of Toyota's stocks



If it still continue to drops, I wonder.....

..essentially -13% in a short period.

...and as a point of comparison... Honda which is arguably the best placed vehicle maker to take advantage of this market hit a peak of just over $36 in early June only to fall back to just over $32 currently. Also -8%.

The US auto market is in freefall currently......the entire US auto industry.

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by eurohazard

I don't understand statements like this. I would say Korean cars are affecting Toyota.......but I would hardly say "hurting". Have you seen the Camry and Corolla sales figures? What are they #2 and #3 I believe for the month of June? It took Hyundai 20 years to earn my respect. If, or more likely when Chinese cars come here, I fully expect crap for 5 years or so, and maybe some respect in 20 or so years. That's my thoughts anyway.

Corolla and Camry...
No 1 and No 2 in June
No 2 and No 3 in May

Yes the hope of some who hate Toyota that some 'black knight' from the depths of Darkest Asia will come and smite Toyota are just that... hopes only. The actual competition for which they should be rooting is Honda and/or Nissan. Both are established here with significant volume and domestic production.


Even if....either the Chinese or Koreans could make a full range of vehicles for this market the simple fact is that this market is not very interesting to any vehicle maker now. We are a fully saturated market with essentially one vehicle for every driving adult. The only growth in volume will be the normal growth ofthe population and the addition of immigrants. All the growth in the world is in Asia, their own back yard.

To succeed here a vehicle maker has to invest here. Large investments of this sort run $Billions ( see separate VW thread ) and that's in a highly regulated market with very restrictive limitations. Hello, GM, Ford and Chysler are vacating the NA market as fast as they can. Asia is the growth area for large multinational companies.

Chinese and/or Korean vehicle makers might nip at the heels of Toyota and Honda but they'd first have to set up major operations here and essentially drive the Detroiters out of their own market. Very very bad juju.

Honda the most natural competitor to Toyota is actually just a tiny little pup trying to play with the Big Dogs. It's really only a major force in NA. Everywhere else it's nothing ... literally. In most countries outside of NA and Japan it's not even an auto maker. It's a cycle maker or an engine maker. In the NA market its two biggest vehicles are the Civic and Accord and neither can match the Corolla and Camry in terms of production capacity. At full capacity for both companies the Civic/Accord simply cannot surpass the Corolla/Camry. It can of course build additional facilities but then it goes back to the previous point of 'Why invest in a mature, fully saturated market with little or no growth potential and severe restrictions and regulations?'.

Why not spend that money in the home markets of Asia with much much better growth prospects and little or no restrictions?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by DuallyMan

Y'all are a bunch of stupid fools. If Toyota's sell slows down in the US, they still make billions in profit.

Oh yes, we're stupid. "Y'all?" "Toyota's sell?"

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by mikmak

Post of the month.

Seconded


One word explains the graph...recession.

[jry]

Could care less about the stock analysis posted here.
There's a lot of very successful companies getting chewed up and spit out, right now, on the street. Companies need to start managing for what is best over the long haul. Sooner or later you will crash if you keep working for the short term quarterly bump. When you rid yourself of the burden of pleasing the shareholders you can get down to business and it will grow and be much more stable.

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by jry

When you rid yourself of the burden of pleasing the shareholders you can get down to business and it will grow and be much more stable.

Chrysler LLC is a privately held company.

[AMERICA 123]

Next stop, Europe - we need Bruce and some of that Downbound Train spirit - set the mood for Toyota here .

http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/20080716_pr.pdf


Some high lights - 2008 YTD - Lexus -24%

Toyota Group market share - down to 4.8% from a high of 6.0%

[sdotjoe]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

Seconded


One word explains the graph...recession.

We're not in recession, "The American economy is working"