Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun !

AMERICA 123 · 07-14-2008, 06:16 PM

YEP.

One graph , 7 - 10 categories of key points.

First the graph .

And the link.

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi...7090377&Ref=AR

From the article: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...7090377/&imw=Y

Take a look at the last two segments - look how steep the downward trend going from APRIL - MAY - JUNE (2008).

Now pull back, at look at the trend overall.

Notice how the gap between Toyota and the rest of the industry was narrowing - before Toyota goes under average performance in June.

Remember this is in regards to the industry as a whole - it includes all the big drag from Chrysler and Ford, and the not inconsiderable drag from GM.

I-Love-Pontiac · 07-14-2008, 06:31 PM

America is more in love with Toyota now than they ever have been. Their slowing sales trend is just a result of a weakening economy.

AMERICA 123 · 07-14-2008, 06:44 PM

( PRELIMINARY - SUBJECT TO FINAL CHECK )

The APRIL - MAY - JUNE 2008 sales data - a different way - Month to Month not Month over Month.

One of those 'yardstick' numbers is the overall entire industry number which was;

+. 8.0X% MARCH - APRIL 2008..............0.00% TOYOTA ( + 30 units )

+ 11.8X% APRIL..- MAY.. 2008...........+18.24% TOYOTA

- 14.8X% MAY.. - JUNE.. 2008...........- 24.93% TOYOTA

Look at both the numbers and percentages.

****************************
TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)

2008 (APRIL - MAY - JUNE)

.................................................. .................................................. ............industry wide % difference

.................................................. .................................................. ...................................- 14.8x%

..............................APRIL..........MAY.. ...........JUNE............difference MAY to JUNE, 2008. % difference

YARIS....................11,434. ......14,397.............8,472..............-5,925..................................- 41.16%

COROLLA/MATRIX...32,435........52,826...........42,180.... .......- 10,646..................................- 20.15%

CAMRY/SOLARA......40,016........51,291...........41,572. ............- 9719...................................- 18.95%

AVALON...................4,195..........4,269..... .......3,165.............- 1104....................................- 25.86%

PRIUS...... ..............21757........15,011...........11,765 .............- 3246..................................- 21.62%

SCION xA.......................8............... 4...................4.....................0....... ...............................0.00%

SCION xB.................4,220..........5,351........... .4,465.............- 0886..................................- 16.56%

SCION tC..................4,119.........5,166........... ..4,155............- 1011...................................- 19.57%

SCION xD... .............2,913.........4,337.............3,026 ............- 1311...................................- 30.23%

TOTAL TOYOTA
DIV. PASS. CAR.....121,097.....152,652..........119024....... ..- 33,628....................................- 22.03%

And that's just the "A" TEAM.

**************************************************

ES...........................5,439........6,831... ...........5,726
LS........................... 1,992.......2,115...............1,525
SC..............................217..........216.. ...............154
GS...........................1,568.......1,708.... ...........1,213
IS............................4,550.......5,420... ............4,324

TOTAL LEXUS
PASS. CAR..............13,766......16,290.............12 ,942........- 3,348..................................... - 20.55%

TOTAL TOYOTA
PASS. CAR............134,863....168,942...........131,96 6.......- 36,976............... ......................- 21.89%

************************************************

SUV, MINIVANS, TRUCKS & CUV

SIENNA.................. ...11,215.....12,178..........8,578
RAV4.................. ......12,773.....14,917..........9,597
FJ CRUISER..................2,682.......2,404........ ..1,701
4RUNNER.....................4,490.......4,286..... .....2,839
HIGHLANDER..............10,008......10,841........ .6,872
LAND CRUISER................473..........473........... .324
SEQUOIA......................2,675.......3,575.... .....2,444
TOTAL SUV.................33,101.....36,496........23,77 7.........- 12,719.......................................- 34.85%
..... ( incorrectly includes Minivans )

************************************************

4X2 TACOMA................8,648.......9,480..........6 690
4X4 TACOMA................6,939.......7,861..........4 674
TOTAL TACOMA...........15,587.....17,341........11364
TUNDRA.....................13,350.....12,144...... ..10238

TOTAL PICKUP............28,937......29,485........21602. .........- 7,883............................. ..........- 26.74%

TOTAL TOYOTA DIV.
LT TRUCK .................73,253......78,159........53957.. .......- 24,202...................... .................- 30.97%

LX..............................1,625...........82 7............631
GX................................799........1,394 ............860
RX..............................7,160........8,082 .........5,820

TOTAL LEXUS
LIGHT TRUCK...............9,584......10,303.........7,31 1...........- 2992........................................- 29.04%

TOTAL TOYOTA
LIGHT TRUCK.............82,837......88,462........61,628 ........- 26,834........................................- 30.34%

TOTAL TOYOTA DIV..194,350.....230,811......172,981........- 57,830.......................................- 25.06%

TOTAL LEXUS............23,350......26,593........20,253. ...........- 6340.......................................- 23.84%

TOTAL TOYOTA.......217,700.....257,404.......193,234

% change Toy.........+0.00%...+18.24%......- 24.93%

% change Ind..........+ 8.0%....+11.8X%......- 14.9%

************************************************
************************************************

Note: above is non DSR% ie non adjusted - # selling days provided for other than traditional use.

(SELLING DAYS..............26.............27............... 24)

akenaten · 07-14-2008, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

America is more in love with Toyota now than they ever have been. Their slowing sales trend is just a result of a weakening economy.

FenwickHockey65 · 07-14-2008, 07:07 PM

YES!!!

Fail toyota! Fail!

Mwaahahahahhahahaaa!

GMusa · 07-14-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

America is more in love with Toyota now than they ever have been. Their slowing sales trend is just a result of a weakening economy.

I agree. But I also think that will begin to change.. if it hasnt already.

mjd1001 · 07-14-2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

America is more in love with Toyota now than they ever have been. Their slowing sales trend is just a result of a weakening economy.

I partially agree, but I also think a large part of it is the price of a Toyota. 10-20 years ago, my impression of Toyota is similar to what I think of Hyundai now...great value in a car...mostly due to their price. Now, however, I am almost shocked at how expensive Toyota's are. A Matrix that is virtually the same mechanically as a Vibe, but costs more (when comparably equipped). A Camry, that is very hard to find at dealer lots for under $26000? (at least most I see on the lots are fairly well equiped and costing close to $30,000).

My opinion is, over the last 10-15 years..Toyotas have gone from a good value to actualy being rather expensive for what you get. Up until the last 2-4 years..the economy was strong enough that it didn't matter to most people. But now, that is a different story. It is not a general weakening of the economy only..it is the weak economy with the fact that the weak economy is causing people to really look at how expensive some Toyotas have become.

plane · 07-14-2008, 09:27 PM

I love
my oil-sludged engine.
I love
my deactivated air bag because you were too cheap for a recall
I love
sliding on snow, going nowhere in my Prius
I love
Truck suspensions that self-destruct on the freeway
I love
Surging acceleration that must be my fault because you say so
I love
Cheap silver and black 70's interiors in a big ugly truck
I love
Truck frames that rot to dust
I love
Lowering workers' wages because there's no union to fight back

I just love, love, love toyota.

vsd · 07-14-2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plane

I love
my oil-sludged engine.
I love
my deactivated air bag because you were too cheap for a recall
I love
sliding on snow, going nowhere in my Prius
I love
Truck suspensions that self-destruct on the freeway
I love
Surging acceleration that must be my fault because you say so
I love
Cheap silver and black 70's interiors in a big ugly truck
I love
Truck frames that rot to dust
I love
Lowering workers' wages because there's no union to fight back

And Twins!

FenwickHockey65 · 07-14-2008, 11:27 PM

Don't you love being overworked to death as well? It's so FUN.

Butz · 07-14-2008, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plane

I love
my oil-sludged engine.
I love
my deactivated air bag because you were too cheap for a recall
I love
sliding on snow, going nowhere in my Prius
I love
Truck suspensions that self-destruct on the freeway
I love
Surging acceleration that must be my fault because you say so
I love
Cheap silver and black 70's interiors in a big ugly truck
I love
Truck frames that rot to dust
I love
Lowering workers' wages because there's no union to fight back

I just love, love, love toyota.

Me too, we all love Toyota!

Heil Toyota!

AMERICA 123 · 07-15-2008, 12:00 AM

http://www.automotiveworld.com/WVMA/...ontentid=69512

Quote:

US: TMS replies to claims of Toyota and Lexus models facing axe
By Glenn Brooks
14 July, 2008
Source: Automotive World
Mike Michels, the corporate manager of External Communications for Toyota Motor Sales USA, has told AutomotiveWorld.com that reports by a US-based automotive website which claim the Lexus SC and Toyota Avalon will not be replaced due to slow sales are "unfounded speculation".

Mike Michels, the corporate manager of External Communications for Toyota Motor Sales USA, has told AutomotiveWorld.com that reports by a US-based automotive website which claim the Lexus SC and Toyota Avalon will not be replaced due to slow sales are "unfounded speculation". -

AMERICA 123 · 07-15-2008, 12:27 AM

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700242982,00.html

Quote:

Some cars guzzle insurance

Fuel-efficient models are among top 10 most costly for coverage
By Jennifer Toomer-Cook
Deseret News
Published: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:19 a.m. MDT

If you're thinking of trading your gas-guzzler in for a zippy little fuel-efficient car, beware: You might end up handing some of your gas savings to your insurance company.

Three of the government's top-ranked vehicles for fuel efficiency — the Toyota Prius hybrid, the Honda Accord and Toyota Corolla — also are on Insure.com's top 10 list of the most expensive 2008 vehicles to insure.

eurohazard · 07-15-2008, 12:32 AM

lol, and the "unfounded speculation" is probably true!

eurohazard · 07-15-2008, 12:38 AM

Down with Toyota!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as 1993 Camry keeps on running, all is well.

07-14-2008, 06:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
AMERICA 123 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Aug 2007 Drives: The bailout pkg Posts: 2,015	Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun ! YEP. One graph , 7 - 10 categories of key points. First the graph . And the link. http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi...7090377&Ref=AR From the article: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...7090377/&imw=Y Take a look at the last two segments - look how steep the downward trend going from APRIL - MAY - JUNE (2008). Now pull back, at look at the trend overall. Notice how the gap between Toyota and the rest of the industry was narrowing - before Toyota goes under average performance in June. Remember this is in regards to the industry as a whole - it includes all the big drag from Chrysler and Ford, and the not inconsiderable drag from GM. __________________ " 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 07-14-2008 at 06:45 PM.

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I-Love-Pontiac 6.2 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,737	Re: Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun ! America is more in love with Toyota now than they ever have been. Their slowing sales trend is just a result of a weakening economy. __________________

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AMERICA 123 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Aug 2007 Drives: The bailout pkg Posts: 2,015	Re: Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun ! ( PRELIMINARY - SUBJECT TO FINAL CHECK ) The APRIL - MAY - JUNE 2008 sales data - a different way - Month to Month not Month over Month. One of those 'yardstick' numbers is the overall entire industry number which was; +. 8.0X% MARCH - APRIL 2008..............0.00% TOYOTA ( + 30 units ) + 11.8X% APRIL..- MAY.. 2008...........+18.24% TOYOTA - 14.8X% MAY.. - JUNE.. 2008...........- 24.93% TOYOTA Look at both the numbers and percentages. ************************** TOYOTA RETAIL SALES (INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII) 2008 (APRIL - MAY - JUNE) .................................................. .................................................. ............industry wide % difference .................................................. .................................................. ...................................- 14.8x% ..............................APRIL..........MAY.. ...........JUNE............difference MAY to JUNE, 2008. % difference YARIS....................11,434. ......14,397.............8,472..............-5,925..................................- 41.16% COROLLA/MATRIX...32,435........52,826...........42,180.... .......- 10,646..................................- 20.15% CAMRY/SOLARA......40,016........51,291...........41,572. ............- 9719...................................- 18.95% AVALON...................4,195..........4,269..... .......3,165.............- 1104....................................- 25.86% PRIUS...... ..............21757........15,011...........11,765 .............- 3246..................................- 21.62% SCION xA.......................8............... 4...................4.....................0....... ...............................0.00% SCION xB.................4,220..........5,351........... .4,465.............- 0886..................................- 16.56% SCION tC..................4,119.........5,166........... ..4,155............- 1011...................................- 19.57% SCION xD... .............2,913.........4,337.............3,026 ............- 1311...................................- 30.23% TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. PASS. CAR.....121,097.....152,652..........119024....... ..- 33,628....................................- 22.03% And that's just the "A" TEAM. ********************************************** ES...........................5,439........6,831... ...........5,726 LS........................... 1,992.......2,115...............1,525 SC..............................217..........216.. ...............154 GS...........................1,568.......1,708.... ...........1,213 IS............................4,550.......5,420... ............4,324 TOTAL LEXUS PASS. CAR..............13,766......16,290.............12 ,942........- 3,348..................................... - 20.55% TOTAL TOYOTA PASS. CAR............134,863....168,942...........131,96 6.......- 36,976............... ......................- 21.89% ******************************************** SUV, MINIVANS, TRUCKS & CUV SIENNA.................. ...11,215.....12,178..........8,578 RAV4.................. ......12,773.....14,917..........9,597 FJ CRUISER..................2,682.......2,404........ ..1,701 4RUNNER.....................4,490.......4,286..... .....2,839 HIGHLANDER..............10,008......10,841........ .6,872 LAND CRUISER................473..........473........... .324 SEQUOIA......................2,675.......3,575.... .....2,444 TOTAL SUV.................33,101.....36,496........23,77 7.........- 12,719.......................................- 34.85% ..... ( incorrectly includes Minivans ) ******************************************** 4X2 TACOMA................8,648.......9,480..........6 690 4X4 TACOMA................6,939.......7,861..........4 674 TOTAL TACOMA...........15,587.....17,341........11364 TUNDRA.....................13,350.....12,144...... ..10238 TOTAL PICKUP............28,937......29,485........21602. .........- 7,883............................. ..........- 26.74% TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. LT TRUCK .................73,253......78,159........53957.. .......- 24,202...................... .................- 30.97% LX..............................1,625...........82 7............631 GX................................799........1,394 ............860 RX..............................7,160........8,082 .........5,820 TOTAL LEXUS LIGHT TRUCK...............9,584......10,303.........7,31 1...........- 2992........................................- 29.04% TOTAL TOYOTA LIGHT TRUCK.............82,837......88,462........61,628 ........- 26,834........................................- 30.34% TOTAL TOYOTA DIV..194,350.....230,811......172,981........- 57,830.......................................- 25.06% TOTAL LEXUS............23,350......26,593........20,253. ...........- 6340.......................................- 23.84% TOTAL TOYOTA.......217,700.....257,404.......193,234 % change Toy.........+0.00%...+18.24%......- 24.93% % change Ind..........+ 8.0%....+11.8X%......- 14.9% ******************************************** ******************************************** Note: above is non DSR% ie non adjusted - # selling days provided for other than traditional use. (SELLING DAYS..............26.............27............... 24) __________________ " 123"** " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 07-14-2008 at 10:53 PM.

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plane 6.0 Liter LS2 V8 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Just right here Drives: 1980 'Vette Posts: 4,922	Re: Ladies and Gentlemen, the long awaited Toyota meltdown may have begun ! I love my oil-sludged engine. I love my deactivated air bag because you were too cheap for a recall I love sliding on snow, going nowhere in my Prius I love Truck suspensions that self-destruct on the freeway I love Surging acceleration that must be my fault because you say so I love Cheap silver and black 70's interiors in a big ugly truck I love Truck frames that rot to dust I love Lowering workers' wages because there's no union to fight back I just love, love, love toyota. __________________ Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character. Henry Clay

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