Honda to post huge gains in june

[silvergoat2k6]

Originally Posted by Johnny P

Way to compare base model Fit to top level Aveo.

The XFE does NOT get better mileage than the auto Civic. Which is what the majority of people purchase.

Owned.

[delmarjohn]

I amtired of these arguments......the fact is the population growth in the Us is from a different source.....they are not married to america of old...the asians buy asian cars ...the indians who live in my neighborhood do not own one american car....for that matter they hardly watch american TV...they all have satellite TV or the like and I have never been to an indian home were the TV wasn't on with programming from INDIA....wake america when you buy a japaneese car you are giving and contributing to something we are losing......our healthcare and retirement....yes they have national health and a better retirement system....we the defenders of all ...can hardly keep our afloat...so buy that honda accord,instead of the malibu....and laugh all the way to second tier staus

[delmarjohn]

you don't save your skin,you are slowly peeling it off....that 2months wouldn't kill most ...but you use it as an excuse...to do what you wanted to do anyway

[AMERICA 123]

Back to the topic in hand.

Here is a fresh forecast for the month (JUNE2008) from Edmunds.

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...36&newsLang=en

June 26, 2008 08:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Edmunds.com Forecasts June Auto Sales and Lowers Forecast for 2008

SANTA MONICA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--This month’s new vehicle sales (including fleet sales) are expected to be 1.2 million units, a 16.7 percent decrease from June 2007 and a 13.3 percent decrease from May 2008, according to Edmunds.com, the premier online resource for automotive information.

June 2008 had 24 selling days, three less than June 2007. When adjusted for this difference, < projected> sales decreased 6.3 percent from June 2007. (The chart below sets forth other unadjusted and adjusted comparisons.)


.......Change from June 2007..............Change from June 2007

(Adjusted for less selling days)../.. (Unadjusted for less selling days)

Chrysler............ -22.6%................ -31.2%
Ford................. -15.4%................ -24.8%
GM................... -15.9%................ -25.2%
Honda................ 17.0%................... 4.0%
Nissan................. 4.1%................... -7.5%
Toyota............... -0.7%................. -11.7%
Industry Total..... -6.3% ................ -16.7%

“Due to these conditions, we’ve lowered our 2008 sales forecast from 15.5 million units to 14.9 million units.”

“Some analysts are predicting that Toyota will outsell GM in June,” commented Michelle Krebs, Senior Editor of Edmunds’ AutoObserver.com. “But GM’s 72-Hour Zero Percent Financing sale will probably be enough to keep them on top.”

Edmunds.com predicts Honda will sell 147,000 units in June 2008, up 4.0 percent from June 2007 but down 12.8 percent from May 2008. Honda’s market share is expected to be 12.1 percent in June 2008, up from 9.7 percent in June 2007 and even at 12.1 percent in May 2008.

Edmunds.com predicts Toyota will sell 217,000 units in June 2008, down 11.7 percent from June 2007 and down 15.7 percent from May 2008. Toyota’s market share is expected to be 18.0 percent in June 2008, up from 17.0 percent in June 2007 but down from 18.5 percent in May 2008.

[Bggriffi]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

4. Over 63% of all vehicles sold by Honda in the U.S. last month were Civics or Accords. The Accord hybrid has been discontinued and the regular Accord does not get milage any better than the competition. The Civic hybrid makes up less than 10% of sales. These cars are selling on reputation.

Honda worked hard to achieve this reputation. GM worked hard to make great SUV's.

Public perception for GM cars is starting to change, but it takes time. Honda deserves credit for making reliable and efficient cars. GM will hopefully get their credit soon.

[Bggriffi]

Chrysler -22.6% -31.2%
Ford -15.4% -24.8%
GM -15.9% -25.2%
Honda 17.0% 4.0%
Nissan 4.1% -7.5%
Toyota -0.7% -11.7%
Industry Total -6.3% -16.7%

I'm surprised by Nissan.

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by delmarjohn

I amtired of these arguments......the fact is the population growth in the Us is from a different source.....they are not married to america of old...the asians buy asian cars ...the indians who live in my neighborhood do not own one american car....for that matter they hardly watch american TV...they all have satellite TV or the like and I have never been to an indian home were the TV wasn't on with programming from INDIA....wake america when you buy a japaneese car you are giving and contributing to something we are losing......our healthcare and retirement....yes they have national health and a better retirement system....we the defenders of all ...can hardly keep our afloat...so buy that honda accord,instead of the malibu....and laugh all the way to second tier staus

I just don't know what else to say. I have hard time understanding why people on this site have hard time figuring out why Americans don't buy American cars, even when their products are much better than they used to be.

Here is the simple reason: You can't **** somebody over and over and over for decades and still expect that person to be loyal to you. The domestic auto companies have done just that to the American public. They allowed their dealers to scam people left and right, gave horrible products, denied warranty claims. As a matter of fact, even today, 100% of all the scam-filled offers in my area are from the domestic dealers. At the same time Toyota/Honda treated them better, took care of them and gave them a reliable product. Now, IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER if domestic autos are light-years ahead of the competition, people don't give a crap.

On the same page, I find the "Americans should buy American Autos" to be the biggest sheep mentality of all. It's like you have lost the ability to think and decide what's best for you and just do what the American auto companies are asking you to do (An American Revolution??), despite the fact that they raped you for decades.

In my opinion, people that buy American or foreign autos primarily because that's the best option for them are the real Americans because they are practicing the right to make a choice that's best for them.

[FireFox89]

Originally Posted by windvale

You might not know this, but better than 80% of all small car purchases are for Auto Transmissions. GM's manual numbers are, in certain instances, competitive. Their Auto Tran numbers are not. I think I posted the numbers for comparison a couple of weeks back, and GM's numbers for the Aveo and Cobalt are dreadful when you compare Auto's to Auto's, especially for city mileage.

Its kind of hindered by the 4spd and gearing. Matted to the 2.2l ecotech, you get decent passing power due to better low-end torque and tighter gear ratios, the side effect is that it eats more gas being geared low like it is.

[skylark68]

Originally Posted by ZeroDrag

I just don't know what else to say. I have hard time understanding why people on this site have hard time figuring out why Americans don't buy American cars, even when their products are much better than they used to be.

Here is the simple reason: You can't **** somebody over and over and over for decades and still expect that person to be loyal to you. The domestic auto companies have done just that to the American public. They allowed their dealers to scam people left and right, gave horrible products, denied warranty claims. As a matter of fact, even today, 100% of all the scam-filled offers in my area are from the domestic dealers. At the same time Toyota/Honda treated them better, took care of them and gave them a reliable product. Now, IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER if domestic autos are light-years ahead of the competition, people don't give a crap.

On the same page, I find the "Americans should buy American Autos" to be the biggest sheep mentality of all. It's like you have lost the ability to think and decide what's best for you and just do what the American auto companies are asking you to do (An American Revolution??), despite the fact that they raped you for decades.

In my opinion, people that buy American or foreign autos primarily because that's the best option for them are the real Americans because they are practicing the right to make a choice that's best for them.

While I agree with some of what you said, all auto companies are capable and have historically built some crap. While one can hardly find any front wheel drive GM cars built in the '80s in today's market, that same person can find a bunch of '80s full size RWD GM cars. Likewise, one can find plenty of '80s GM trucks still running around. Most FWD Japanese cars from the '80s are gone, rusted, and buried. Additionally, most FWD Fords and Chryslers are gone. The fact is that GM built some damn good RWD cars and trucks in the '80s and probably the most reliable vehicles built during that time period. The Japanese have mainly built their reputation from the early '90s when just about every domestic sucked badly.

[vcs2600]

I think you guys need to move on past your ancient history about rusty 1981 Accords and realize that GM's dealerships were full of substandard crap as little as 3 years ago.

Unlike people who read this and other auto sites, the average consumer does not pay that close attention to the 100s of different models on the US market. What they do know is that Honda sells Civics and Accords, just like they always have.

[megan]

Originally Posted by obriend

Total crap compared to their products now - sure. Total crap compared to their Detroit contemporaries - not so sure. I wasn't driving 30 years ago, but I do remember by neighbor driving a 70's Civic (the cvcc) in the eighties (and he was a mechanic at a Chrysler dealer no less) - that thing was a pile of rust but it ran all the time, unlike his other cars.

Japanese cars have earned a well deserved reputation for rusting out much sooner than Detroit iron, but you can drive a rust heap, but you can't drive glittering chrome if it won't start (Olds Cutlass Supreme diesel - looking at you!)

They were total crap compared to any car. The early Japanese cars of the mid eighties and before were not designed for the U.S.. It was only about the early and mid eighties that Japanese manufacturers really paid attention to what Americans wanted and how they use their vehicles. I agree GM diesels were junk, but all carmakers have made some really bad cars. What about the million Toyotas that had engine sludge problems. You could not drive them either. And that is within the past 10 years, not 25-30 years ago like the GM diesels. I'm sure all the owners were proud of their decision to buy a reliable Toyoya as they stared at it in their driveway, because it would not run. The Japanese imports of the late seventies and early eighties WERE JUNK compared to their Detroit contemporaries. If people would say the Japanese makers cars have a reputation ror reliability for the past 20 years, I would agree. But not the past 30 years. The first Korean cars were junk ,too. Now they are building a good reputation.

[Stéphane Dumas]

recently there was a gas cartel who was busted in the province of Quebec
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20...3/5867871.html

Maybe I imagined too much conspiracies but Honda seemed way too much ready to face the gas crisis as I begin to ponder sometimes if Honda sleep or lobby some oil companies to keep the gas high long enough as possible.

[Johnny P]

Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas

recently there was a gas cartel who was busted in the province of Quebec
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20...3/5867871.html

Maybe I imagined too much conspiracies but Honda seemed way too much ready to face the gas crisis as I begin to ponder sometimes if Honda sleep or lobby some oil companies to keep the gas high long enough as possible.

Ready..........................as in the last 20yrs?

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Bggriffi

I'm surprised by Nissan.

They're that quiet other guy in the room - been taking a lot of seconds lately..

We'll have to see the real numbers but based on this another surprise appears to be the Japanese big three are not necc. going to increase their aggregate market share from May 2008 to June 2008.

I honestly can't remember the last time that happened.

Another one like that to watch is just Honda and Toyota together - we shall see.

Normally you get both or one of the above but this month..... maybe one or none.

Obviously the Domestics aren't causing that so.........

Some of the other smaller players must be doing at least 'ok'.

[megan]

Originally Posted by skylark68

While I agree with some of what you said, all auto companies are capable and have historically built some crap. While one can hardly find any front wheel drive GM cars built in the '80s in today's market, that same person can find a bunch of '80s full size RWD GM cars. Likewise, one can find plenty of '80s GM trucks still running around. Most FWD Japanese cars from the '80s are gone, rusted, and buried. Additionally, most FWD Fords and Chryslers are gone. The fact is that GM built some damn good RWD cars and trucks in the '80s and probably the most reliable vehicles built during that time period. The Japanese have mainly built their reputation from the early '90s when just about every domestic sucked badly.

I agree. GM built some good automobiles in the eighties. Much better than the early Japanese entries. And their trucks were probably some of the best vehicles on the road then.