Honda to post huge gains in june

[roteague]

Originally Posted by windvale

Despite your sarcasm, yes - Foreign automakers do build the most fuel efficient (Prius, Yaris, Civic Hybrid, Camry hybrid) and reliable vehicles (Honda #1 according to JD Powers).

Them are the facts.

Those are not facts, they are opinions.

[GMC-70]

Originally Posted by member1

WOW. who would of thought that when you stick with same names for over 30 years and you always make them high quality and fuel efficient. GM produced same cavalier for 11 years and during those 11 years it was just crap they never bother to improve quality. So why does anybody expect people to buy cobalt that is also not so good quality. Or how about last malibu. it was uncompetitve from day 1. and it was just ugly. so why does anybody expect people to buy gm cars whey they ignore them for so long. Look what was happening with gm truck. They always made best truck and sales showed that. so why couldnt they use same formula for cars too? GM managers are idiot and they need to quiet. I think honda ceo is holding picture of rick in his office. Rick made honda and toyota what they are today. thank you rick and lutz.

I see your ID is a little more discrete this time--welcome back!

[camaro_freak]

Originally Posted by ByTheLake

Anybody surprised?

Honda Civic ... on sale since July 1972, continually improved, and currently in its eighth generation.

Honda Accord ... on sale since 1976, continually improved, and currently in its eighth generation.

Now, let's look at what brand equity Chevrolet/GEO has invested in since 1980, just considering vehicles in the approximate size range as Civic and Accord:

Monza (dropped)
Chevette (dropped)
Sprint (dropped)
Spectrum (dropped)
Citation (dropped)
Nova (dropped)
Storm (dropped)
Cavalier (dropped)
Corsica (dropped)
Beretta (dropped)
Aveo
Malibu
Cobalt
HHR

...and we're hearing rumors that the Cobalt name is being dropped? Toyota and Honda have stayed the course with the Corolla/Camry and Civic/Accord, updating and improving each generation, building incredible brand equity for each nameplate.

The old third generation Cavalier was sold for 11 model years! Good grief, give me an aspirin.

You forgot Lumina too!!!!

yeah that isn't a good track record.... wow to see it all in print is pretty bad indeed!

The imports definitely got that right... brand recognition - improve and update!!!!

[GMC-70]

Originally Posted by member1

Thank you. This is vcdj. I just get ban from this site when i say the truth. But truth must be told. Truth is GM will be in chapter 11 soon because of idiots like rick and lutz. Honda and toyota will still make billinos and red neck adminstrators on this site will continue to ban people for speaking the truth. It tells you who is running gm. Red necks and hill billys same people that run this site.

Hmmm--I wonder how you feel about the USA?

By the way when they ban me again with this name i will use member2 next time.

Good thinking--nobody will think of that
Ever hear of an IP ban?

[ByTheLake]

Originally Posted by CamaroCrazy

I'm still planning on buying a V8 Camaro because I think this $4 a gallon gas isn't going to last.

You're correct ... it'll become $5 or $6 gas. $4 certainly won't last.

[ByTheLake]

Originally Posted by camaro_freak

You forgot Lumina too!!!!

I was trying to stick with the smaller cars, so I excluded Lumina/Impala/Monte Carlo, but there's no doubt that way too many nameplates have been used.

[chade]

Originally Posted by johnstarnes

Build the right car and they will buy them. As GM lavished its attention and resources on gas hogging Hummers and SUVs, Honda kept right on developing more fuel efficient family cars, and is now reaping the rewards. I hope I live to see GM once again ANTICIPATING markets vs. continually, vainly, trying to play catch up.

Please name all of their vehicles that have fuel economy figures that far outpace the domestics. All I can think of is the Fit. Any others?

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by chade

Please name all of their vehicles that have fuel economy figures that far outpace the domestics. All I can think of is the Fit. Any others?

Honda Fit manual: 28/34 mpg. (31 mpg average)

Honda Fit w/ base auto: 27/33 mpg (30 mpg average)

Chevy Cobalt XFE manual: 25/36 mpg. (30.5 mpg average)

[windvale]

Originally Posted by roteague

Those are not facts, they are opinions.

It's an opinion that the Prius is the highest MPG car sold in America ? How do you figure that ? I'm going by the EPA's web site...

[windvale]

Originally Posted by chade

Please name all of their vehicles that have fuel economy figures that far outpace the domestics. All I can think of is the Fit. Any others?

Prius
Civic hybrid
Camry hybrid

How's that for starters ?

If you need more, you've got the Yaris, the Jetta Diesel, etc.

[ZeroDrag]

Originally Posted by GMC-70

Yes and Honda didn't try to play that game with the Ridgeline or new Pilot???

Honda never played catchup with the Ridgeline. Ridgeline does not compete with other fullsize or midsize trucks. Their target markets are different.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

Honda Fit manual: 28/34 mpg. (31 mpg average)

Honda Fit w/ base auto: 27/33 mpg (30 mpg average)

Chevy Cobalt XFE manual: 25/36 mpg. (30.5 mpg average)

You might not know this, but better than 80% of all small car purchases are for Auto Transmissions. GM's manual numbers are, in certain instances, competitive. Their Auto Tran numbers are not. I think I posted the numbers for comparison a couple of weeks back, and GM's numbers for the Aveo and Cobalt are dreadful when you compare Auto's to Auto's, especially for city mileage.

[HoosierRon]

Originally Posted by windvale

Prius
Civic hybrid
Camry hybrid

How's that for starters ?

If you need more, you've got the Yaris, the Jetta Diesel, etc.

The request was: what vehicles does Honda make. Honda does not make the Prius, the Camry hybrid, the Yaris or the Jetta diesel. The Civic hybrid is available in very limited quantities. Less than 10% of Civics sold are hybrids. Further, the Civic hybrid's real world mileage is quite debatably lower than its EPA ratings. The regular Civic's mileage milage is no better than a Cobalt XFE.

Toyota makes the Prius, Camry hybrid and Yaris. Toyota's U.S. sales will be lower this year than its 2007 sales.

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by chade

Please name all of their vehicles that have fuel economy figures that far outpace the domestics. All I can think of is the Fit. Any others?

As I said before...this thread began with the announcement that Honda is having a banner sales year even as GM slumps even more badly with its stock plummeting while losing tens of billions of dollars.....Honda must be doing something right to enjoy these brisk sales that speak for themselves.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

The request was: what vehicles does Honda make. Honda does not make the Prius, the Camry hybrid, the Yaris or the Jetta diesel. The Civic hybrid is available in very limited quantities. Less than 10% of Civics sold are hybrids. Further, the Civic hybrid's real world mileage is quite debatably lower than its EPA ratings. The regular Civic's mileage milage is no better than a Cobalt XFE.

Oh, compare just *Honda* to GM ? Sorry about that. Here ya go:

Cobalt AT 22/31
Civic AT 25/36

Any other questions ?