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Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Is it me or does this contradict and earlier story that said that Ford wasn't going to push Volvo upmarket to take the place of the Brit-brands they are going to unload soon?
I could have sworn we read that bit earlier? Regardless, they have a delicate tight-rope to walk. Volvo has a definite "image". If they go and mess it up completely they will end up harming the brand. I'm all for them pushing the brand more upscale, but this will also mean they will have to abandon FWD at some point or have a mix of cars that have RWD for the upper-end of the business and FWD/AWD at the bottom. But remember, they typically sell around 500K cars a year....if they mess up, it could be an expensive lesson for them. To me it's almost a bit ironic. In a very real way, GM has been trying to turn Saab into a sportier/edgier version of Volvo. Now FoMoCo wants to turn Volvo into a Sweedish version of Benz and BMW. Gonna be interesting to see what they have planned...
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Its unfortunate that they really have no choice in the matter. This is business, and as with any business, if you aren't consistently turning a profit, changes are in order.
Still, I think this can work. Just look at Audi.
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3.9 Liter V6
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Man this just sounds like a bad idea. The luxury field is so crowded right now (and will be more so since Acura is expected to move up market), and luxury buyers expect so much. Volvo will have to invest a lot in performance, something that they haven't had a lot of experience in. And Ford has an aweful record with luxury brands recently: they had to sell Aston Martin, they're trying to sell Jag and Rover, and Lincoln has been withering until very recently (but still doesn't have much street cred). But this will leave less competition for Saab, so if they feel comfy doing it, have at it Ford.
BTW, they talk up and down about spreading the Swedish philosophy around; isn't the philosophy of Swedish products "value at low cost" (i.e. Ikea, H&M, etc.)?
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Actually I think Volvo should stay right where they are but it is not the disaster that some people like to say. They should keep Jaguar and give them the products they need. Such as the two new models that they are coming out with. If anything Mercury should be moved to a fleet only brand. To be honest they really should not be selling Land Rover either because they could make products for them from Ford platforms and really make a nice profit.
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
In 5 years from now every friggin' brand will be upscale, coupled with upscale gas prices and only the rich filth will be able to drive. For the rest of us it'll be bicycles. Hello China.
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3.9 Liter V6
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
maybe this is wishful thinking onmy part put i do like Ford and GM and Chrysler. I do see Fords plans for now to move Volvo upmarket to be a logical move. My reason is simple. Look how i list each of Fords Brans
Ford = Entry Level auto Proced from about 15,000 - 35,000 Mercury = Premium Entry Level cars basicall a step up from ford or kill it Lincoln = Near Luxary/ and one or 2 models for American Luxary 45,000+ Volvo = Luxary like that 45,000 + Mazda = Japanese Luxary to take on Lexus and BMW (wishful thinking I know for Mazda) |
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Had Volvo and Saab not been acquired, would they have survived as independent companies?
I like Volvo's product line, but if it's not making money, something has to change. Perhaps taking Volvo slightly up-market will help improve the margin a bit, but only if buyers in that segment view Volvos as desirable vehicles. Funny how the auto industry can't seem to let a brand wither and die. Not that Volvo should go away, but it seems that every struggling brand, such as Jaguar, gets purchased and propped-up. What's the point of all this competition if we keep propping up the weaker brands? Let the weak ones die. Natural selection. |
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
This doesn't make much sense. They should have sold Volvo and retained Jaguar if they want a true luxury brand. Keep Volvo where they are situated but go back to RWD and AWD on certain models. FWD = cheap (perception wise). A true luxury brand can't sell FWD except on lesser models.
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
I see no reason why Volvo can't retain a FWD chassis and offer a premium AWD model luxury sedan and CUV. They will need a nice power boost mostly, and then when combined with AWD standard, they are rappin with the big dogs like Audi and Benz and BMW. I am sorry, I still don't think of caddy in the same league as those guys.
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
i dont like it.. i think going upscale will just loose people.. people do not want to pay 60 grand for a volvo
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
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No, if Ford wants to get serious about taking Volvo upmarket, they need to put their money where their mouth is and invest some serious $$$ on a world-class RWD platform exclusive to Volvo. You're not fooling anybody if you attempt to take on BMW with a Ford 500/Taurus-based car. |
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Re: Ford takes risk going upscale with Volvo
Way back then, Volvo competed with Tier 1 guys like MBZ and BMW. That didn't work well.
Volvo should remain to compete with lower-end Audis. This Tier "2.5" is actually working well for Volvo. If Volvo were to compete with Audi straight on, then it would lose, unfortunately.
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