Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

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    Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?
    BY JOHN VOELCKER
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    This is starting to look not so good.

    It appears that two new hybrid cars from Ford--the 2013 C-Max Hybrid hatchback and the 2013 Fusion Hybrid sedan--may not deliver real-world gas mileage that's anywhere near their 47-mpg EPA ratings.

    Automotive journalists have been quietly discussing this for a few weeks, since Ford began releasing C-Max and 2013 Fusion vehicles into media test fleets.

    C-Max Hybrid: stretching to hit 40 mpg?

    It's still early yet, and it's possible that gas mileage may improve slightly in the cars once several thousand miles have accumulated on each one.

    But Green Car Reports has tested the C-Max twice, once at Ford's media drive and once over a quick weekend route.

    In the first case, the C-Max delivered 37 mpg over 50 miles of mixed freeway and urban driving. Over our weekend route, we got 40 mpg over 240 miles, mostly at freeway speeds.

    And other outlets had similar results.

    Most awkwardly for Ford, Larry Vellequette of Automotive News has documented his struggles to achieve anything close to 47 mpg in the C-Max Hybrid he bought for family use.

    His average gas mileage was 37 mpg.


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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    This is definitely a "not good". Being off by 20% is just bad, especially after the Hyundai fiasco. The EPA rating should be reachable by normal driving. You shouldn't have to granny the car, just drive it in a normal way -- neither too aggressive nor too pedantic -- and achieve around what the EPA ratings are.

    This quote just made me laugh:
    Pressed further, one engineer noted that because the newest hybrids have a great deal more power than comparable Prius models--54 hp more, as Ford touts in its marketing--it may be that drivers are tempted to use that power.
    I drive my car like an utter idiot at times and get 181mpg, well above the EPA rating. It's not like everyone who's bought or tested a Ford hybrid turns into Mario Andretti once behind the wheel of one. Sheesh.
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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    This is just another case of Ford's bragging like they've done with Eco-Boast. Only, this time they may not get away with over exaggerating on their gas mileage. I use EcoBoost to relate to Ford's bragging, because Ecoboost is an engine that's turbocharged with direct injection which Ford was late in the game with such an engine. VW and GM had this long before Ford, but never gave it a name. Ford though sure has brainwashed the consumers making them think Ecoboost is a greatly advanced engine that nobody else has.
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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Ok, it may be a little early to make this statement but here goes:

    Maybe GM's cars don't get THAT much worse mileage than all the other manufaturers, its just that they are not overstimating mileage as much as every one else.

    And this is coming from someone like me has (and still continues to do so) put down some of GM's recent powertrains because of how far behind they are in EPA mileage numbers.

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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Quote Originally Posted by zete View Post
    This is definitely a "not good". Being off by 20% is just bad, especially after the Hyundai fiasco. The EPA rating should be reachable by normal driving. You shouldn't have to granny the car, just drive it in a normal way -- neither too aggressive nor too pedantic -- and achieve around what the EPA ratings are.

    This quote just made me laugh:


    I drive my car like an utter idiot at times and get 181mpg, well above the EPA rating. It's not like everyone who's bought or tested a Ford hybrid turns into Mario Andretti once behind the wheel of one. Sheesh.
    Not to mention the fact that the EPA ratings have been 'adjusted' several times since their inception to reflect the expanded standard equipment like power accessories and air conditioning. I think it was in 2005 that the EPA rating was last given a 'reality check' to reflect the real world driving.
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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    The competition is so intense, a lot of companies will get so aggressive on the fuel economy front. They don't want to be that company that lags behind, when they know they can ramp up sales with a phony number now and an apology later.

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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    the eight C-Max Hybrid owners who have submitted their real-world mileages to FuelEconomy.gov averaged just 40.7 mpg.
    A sample where n=8? Mr. Voelcker ought to know better than to make inferences from that!
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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Quote Originally Posted by zete View Post
    This is definitely a "not good". Being off by 20% is just bad, especially after the Hyundai fiasco. The EPA rating should be reachable by normal driving. You shouldn't have to granny the car, just drive it in a normal way -- neither too aggressive nor too pedantic -- and achieve around what the EPA ratings are.

    This quote just made me laugh:


    I drive my car like an utter idiot at times and get 181mpg, well above the EPA rating. It's not like everyone who's bought or tested a Ford hybrid turns into Mario Andretti once behind the wheel of one. Sheesh.
    I like to see multiple tank-fulls, to eliminate the variance in fills, but it does seem like its too easy to not hit (or get close) to the EPA numbers.

    So should we call you Mario now?


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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Sounds like a big pot of 'not good' for the folks in Dearborn and the blue oval.

    Chasing the mpg zephyr is an exercise in near lunacy. Here's a couple recommendations for all the buyers considering getting into the hybrid rat race. Either go all in a get yourself a Volt. Or dial down your expectations and get a Cruze Eco. Both are excellent vehicles.
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    This is just another case of Ford's bragging like they've done with Eco-Boast. Only, this time they may not get away with over exaggerating on their gas mileage. I use EcoBoost to relate to Ford's bragging, because Ecoboost is an engine that's turbocharged with direct injection which Ford was late in the game with such an engine. VW and GM had this long before Ford, but never gave it a name. Ford though sure has brainwashed the consumers making them think Ecoboost is a greatly advanced engine that nobody else has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tre-Tre View Post
    The competition is so intense, a lot of companies will get so aggressive on the fuel economy front. They don't want to be that company that lags behind, when they know they can ramp up sales with a phony number now and an apology later.
    Unfortunately, that's why so much emphasis is placed on HIGHWAY estimate with complete disregard for COMBINED.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I like to see multiple tank-fulls, to eliminate the variance in fills, but it does seem like its too easy to not hit (or get close) to the EPA numbers.
    Sadly, most reviewers don't take the time to actually do that. Each new vehicle falls victim to on-the-spot observations.

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    Re: Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings?

    Fully expected in the land of ford advertising ...ll.
    Same for Hyundai Kia.l.l..l

    If the cars look good and are fun to drive and get somewhat good gas mileage then it's a own for these segments

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