Ford to beef up engine for F-150

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    Responding to the auto industry’s escalating horsepower wars — including Chrysler’s popular Hemi engine — Ford Motor Co. is developing a larger, more powerful V-8 engine for its top-selling F-150 pickup line.

    The engine’s 6.2-liter displacement will dwarf Ford’s biggest V-8 offering — the 300-hp 5.4-liter Triton V-8 — as well as rivals from Chevrolet, Nissan and Dodge, including the 5.7-liter 340-hp Hemi.

    Ford declined to comment on the project, but suppliers are already bidding to provide components for the engine, according to documents obtained by The Detroit News.

    Ford has not decided where to build the engine known internally as Hurricane.

    Despite rising gasoline prices, the Hurricane project is “somewhat overdue,” Global Insight market analyst John Wolkonowicz said.

    “In trucks, it’s all about bragging rights,” Wolkonowicz said.

    The full-size truck market has become a major battleground for Detroit automakers, with Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and GMC facing new competition from formidable Toyota Motor Co.p. and Nissan Motor Co. entries.

    Demand for the 345-horsepower Hemi has soared since DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group revived the legendary engine two years ago.

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    Originally posted by PontiacJ8@May 27 2004, 04:10 PM
    Responding to the auto industry’s escalating horsepower wars — including Chrysler’s popular Hemi engine — Ford Motor Co. is developing a larger, more powerful V-8 engine for its top-selling F-150 pickup line.

    The engine’s 6.2-liter displacement will dwarf Ford’s biggest V-8 offering — the 300-hp 5.4-liter Triton V-8 — as well as rivals from Chevrolet, Nissan and Dodge, including the 5.7-liter 340-hp Hemi.

    Ford declined to comment on the project, but suppliers are already bidding to provide components for the engine, according to documents obtained by The Detroit News.

    Ford has not decided where to build the engine known internally as Hurricane.

    Despite rising gasoline prices, the Hurricane project is “somewhat overdue,” Global Insight market analyst John Wolkonowicz said.

    “In trucks, it’s all about bragging rights,” Wolkonowicz said.

    The full-size truck market has become a major battleground for Detroit automakers, with Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and GMC facing new competition from formidable Toyota Motor Co.p. and Nissan Motor Co. entries.

    Demand for the 345-horsepower Hemi has soared since DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group revived the legendary engine two years ago.

    Full Story HERE
    How can they afford this CAFE-wise? Sales of the hybrid Escape are a drop in the bucket compared to the F150, and as Dodge has shown, the everyone will want the big engine. The 5.4L is already a mile-per-gallon behind the Silverado 5.3L, and I doubt they can hold mileage the same with the bigger engine.

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    Well, I guess I can't bash Ford too badly. They do need this engine to compete, and what GM should do is up the power ratings in their 6.0 and offer it in their 1500's as an option in all their truck lines and rate the HP rating to around 400 or more to outdue the HEMI. Rumor has it that their will be a more powerful 6.1 liter HEMI coming soon

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    Originally posted by MelvinJ+May 27 2004, 04:40 PM-->
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    Great, we should re-name the article to "The great gas hog war". Who is gonna out pig the other on engine size!

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    Originally posted by stewacide@May 27 2004, 05:45 PM
    Economy losses at the truck division will have to be made up for on cars.

    The new Futura, remember, will be sold mostly with i4s and will be mated to a 6-speed auto and probably a manual as well. The Five Hundred/Freestyle has the 6-speed and a CVT. These will be much more effecient cars than the Taurus and Crown Vic' they basically replace (even if those cars stick around for a while).

    Plus the Escape is just Ford's hybrid trial run (they can only make ~20k a year but could probably sell a couple times that). Things will really heat up with the new Futura and related cars (the bulk of Ford's future car lineup), which were designed for hybrid powertrains from the ground-up.

    Plus if they get really desperate they could always swallow Mazda.
    Aren't the car and truck fleet averages calculated separately? Or can you take credits from one and apply them to the other?

    I'm not sure how that works.

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    Originally posted by chadbarb99@May 27 2004, 05:40 PM
    Well, I guess I can't bash Ford too badly. They do need this engine to compete, and what GM should do is up the power ratings in their 6.0 and offer it in their 1500's as an option in all their truck lines and rate the HP rating to around 400 or more to outdue the HEMI. Rumor has it that their will be a more powerful 6.1 liter HEMI coming soon
    They do need it to move their overweight trucks. As for bumping up the 6.0L's power, even though they are both rated at 345 hp, the LQ9 with outpower the hemi currently with no trouble. All they need to do is get it to make that power on regular gas, because I don't think regular truck engines should require higher octane, like Dodge does with the hemi. It's seems OK to require it on something like the SS or an Escalade, but not on a work-a-day truck.

    It's hard to see how half-ton pickups need 350 hp to compete, but I don't want to see GM be the weakling on the block, so I agree that the 6.0L needs to become more available across the half-tons.

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    Originally posted by stewacide+May 27 2004, 12:45 PM-->
    QUOTE (stewacide @ May 27 2004, 12:45 PM)
    Originally posted by MelvinJ@May 27 2004, 04:40 PM

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    The Freestyle and Futura-based crossovers will be "trucks" will they not?

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    My folks have a new F150 with the 5.4. I didn't find it to be underpowered at all. While its no Hemi, I found it to have some decent grunt to it. I think the 5.4 is the perfect match for the F-Series based vehicles, with the 3.73 gears its even better! The 4.6 is underpowered and I often wonder why they don't give it a badly needed upgrade.

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    Yah they"meaning GM" should use there 4.8L V8 for car duty and replace it in the trucks with a 5.5L as the base V8 engine with D.O.D. Then offer a 6.5L V8 with and without D.O.D as the opt. one "W/O D.O.D for heavy duty use only" with at least 380HP. ((THAT)) would (KILL) Ford and Dodge! Have the 5.5L version put out like 320HP then use the 4.2L I6 in the base trucks with its 275HP! ((((KILLER))))

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    I think that GM should bring back the 454 (7.4ltr). With new engineering it would blow the others away on power, and with DOD the milage shouldent be too bad. The 454 would completely own the Hemi, and any Triton.
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    lol, Toyota only has that 240 hp, lol

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    America surely loves gas! We complain about the gas prices but then we have Suburbans and Excursions, Cayennes and big-Hemi trucks and we are getting gas every 30 mins. What kind of America is this!!!!!
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    Toyota might only have 240 hp but allows you to get the job done without getting as much gas as a Dodge Ram or Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150 included. So 240 hp and good mileage isn't that bad....

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    Originally posted by gmwsag@May 28 2004, 01:12 AM
    America surely loves gas! We complain about the gas prices but then we have Suburbans and Excursions, Cayennes and big-Hemi trucks and we are getting gas every 30 mins. What kind of America is this!!!!!
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    Toyota might only have 240 hp but allows you to get the job done without getting as much gas as a Dodge Ram or Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150 included. So 240 hp and good mileage isn't that bad....
    I am an American, I want the biggest, heaviest, SUV/Truck out there with the biggest engine available and the most horsepower. I dont care if I dont tow a damn thing as long as I have it! Thats what American is all about, horsepower!! Everyone here should be proud they are an American, I sure as hell know I am. I must go now, my Excursion is warming up, with its bigass V10!! Yeee Haaa

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