Falcon may not survive until 2016

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    Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Falcon may not survive until 2016
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    Ford’s mid-size Mondeo four-cylinder (pictured) will become the Blue Oval’s largest passenger model available in Australia when the homegrown Falcon is retired in 2016 – or sooner if its sales continue to plunge.

    Speaking at Ford’s ‘Go Further’ future product unveiling in Sydney last week, Ford Motor Company Chief Operating Officer Mark Fields said his company was committed to releasing the facelifted 2014 ‘FH’ Falcon, which was previewed again last week, but has been delayed until the final quarter of next year.

    Fields admitted that Falcon production may cease earlier than October 2016 – the cut-off date nominated by Ford when it announced the closure of its two Victorian manufacturing plants on May 23 – if the “business environment” continues to deteriorate.

    Falcon sedan sales slipped to a low of just 594 in July and remain at historical lows, with only 5664 sold so far this year – down 27 per cent on the same period last year, following sales declines of 25 per cent in 2012 and 36.5 per cent in 2011.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    why not create a 4 door car based on the rwd mustang platform and call it falcon? it would add sales to the mustang platform. it would expand sales to those who need 4 doors and want rwd.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by gopedxr7 View Post
    why not create a 4 door car based on the rwd mustang platform and call it falcon? it would add sales to the mustang platform. it would expand sales to those who need 4 doors and want rwd.

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    I've believe that Lincoln will eventually be getting a sedan from the new Mustang platform, but not sure what the plans are for other markets.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by gopedxr7 View Post
    why not create a 4 door car based on the rwd mustang platform and call it falcon? it would add sales to the mustang platform. it would expand sales to those who need 4 doors and want rwd.

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    Because "Falcon sedan sales slipped to a low of just 594 in July and remain at historical lows, with only 5664 sold so far this year – down 27 per cent on the same period last year, following sales declines of 25 per cent in 2012 and 36.5 per cent in 2011."

    Not worth the effort. My understanding is the current Falcon is a decent car -- the market for the car is imploding.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    At least you're not getting the bloated Taurus...

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    so update last quarter 2014 and pull the pin last quarter 16 I assume the update will be "mailed in" because there is NO way the car survives even if sales rocket up

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    ^ imho it depends on if the factory or land is sold before hand
    (or if the factory's equipment is due in Michigan... )

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    A V8, RWD, manual transmission sedan that is getting canned due to low sales?
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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Tone View Post
    Because "Falcon sedan sales slipped to a low of just 594 in July and remain at historical lows, with only 5664 sold so far this year – down 27 per cent on the same period last year, following sales declines of 25 per cent in 2012 and 36.5 per cent in 2011."

    Not worth the effort. My understanding is the current Falcon is a decent car -- the market for the car is imploding.
    But with the release of the VF Commodore, sales are quite brisk. So, is it the market for large, RWD sedans imploding, or is it the fact that the Falcon is so old in its life cycle and Aussies want something new and improved?
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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun G8 View Post
    But with the release of the VF Commodore, sales are quite brisk. So, is it the market for large, RWD sedans imploding, or is it the fact that the Falcon is so old in its life cycle and Aussies want something new and improved?
    Sad to say but the VF is not running off the lots as hoped. The high end (and profitable) Calais V's and SS V/Redlines are going great. Lesser models are ho humm. HSV are currently making twice as many cars per day that they are actually selling with substantial discounts being negotiated on all models save the GTS which is still ahead of expectation.

    At sub 1000 units a month I'd be amazed if the Falcon saw next near tbh. Pitty - there is nothing wrong with them as a car.
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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun G8 View Post
    But with the release of the VF Commodore, sales are quite brisk. So, is it the market for large, RWD sedans imploding, or is it the fact that the Falcon is so old in its life cycle and Aussies want something new and improved?
    Compared to just 5-10 years ago, even Commodore sales are poor.
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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Tone View Post
    Because "Falcon sedan sales slipped to a low of just 594 in July and remain at historical lows, with only 5664 sold so far this year – down 27 per cent on the same period last year, following sales declines of 25 per cent in 2012 and 36.5 per cent in 2011."

    Not worth the effort. My understanding is the current Falcon is a decent car -- the market for the car is imploding.
    The marketing imploded which is one of the main reasons the market imploded. Ford America wanted to kill it and did just that.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

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    But with the release of the VF Commodore, sales are quite brisk. So, is it the market for large, RWD sedans imploding, or is it the fact that the Falcon is so old in its life cycle and Aussies want something new and improved?
    Problem is, large cars sales are just dying in the arse as a segment, and not just for Ford and Holden - Accords, Mondeos, Aurions, year-on-year all down apart from blips when a new model is released. Top end Commodores are doing well - but a number of things are conspiring against them. And you have to say - once the intiial surge is done, it's hard to see going on established patterns, what will happen. And unlike in the past, where the company could discount heavily and move metal still at a profit, pricing has already been cut to marginal.

    Part of it is, when they were building 6,000 a month plus Utes and other commercial variants, there were no 'SUV's as we know them and tariffs on imported vehicles were still in the 15-20% range. Even for AWDs. Now it's zero AWD, 5% going to zero in 2015. Now there's whole market segments that did not exist and even though ostensibly they are not cross-shopped in reality people are buying crossovers, people movers - other stuff whcih has just fragmented the market in a zillion directions. Plus, once you bought a small car and just expected it was a poverty pack. Now small cars are well-equipped and can drive distances in comfort at a substantial savings. Families aren't as big, don't all pile in the wagon with a box trailer of bikes and beach games in the back and go off to the once a year holiday or up to grand-dads farm like they did. You can't hoon (car seized) speed (speed cameras) and traffic is congested, so V8s sit in traffic guzzling like a diabetic on 2 litres of cola.

    Also, user-chooser lesees used to be enormous customers which drove a strong secondhand market in nearly new cars - the last but one government changed that in 2007, either deliberately or inadvertantly by raising the marginal tax threshold (became less attractive to salary-sacrifice). Car sales especially of the locals which were built on this, just plummetted.

    Problem is, it's not only Falcon for Ford - Territory sales are off a cliff, as well. Combined, they barely broke 1000 sales in August- five years ago, Ford domestic production of Falcon, Territory and commercials exceeded Commodore passenger and Utes sales. Holden still made more, because they had just come off Monaro/GTO/Chev coupe exports and then G8s. In 2005 Falcon almost knocked Commodore off for bestselling car. It won five months out of twelve.

    If you were product planning for five years' time today and had nothing, a large car probably wouldn't come into consideration. Versions of Commodore may survive post 2015 (Chev SS, PPV, Ute, perhaps Calais and SS, HSVs, VXRs). They probably have enough done to trickle out updates. I honestly think you are seeing the beginning of the end of V8s and big sixes in the last five years of this decade, which will curtail the need for large RWD passenger cars. I bet the Gen V smallblock is the last major revision we will see, as a passenger car motor.

    As far as building a Falcon off Mustang - been tried, apparently twice. Can't do it, with the ponycar proportions all wrong for a sedan and the future version isn't big enough. The writing was on the wall before 2008 - it's just been a long time happening. Now the market's got the sniff of blood in the water - I reckon they'll pull the pin on FH. S197 Mustang's chassis is too crude for a sedan for this market. Jaguar version, too small and expensive.
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    Falcon fans have been shouting that idea at Ford for years. Long before the dismal Falcon numbers. It seems like such a simple idea to merge the Falcon and Mustang onto one platform! Also the BS that Ford keeps shoveling us about 'One Ford' should have meant that they would have a global RWD platform, and the Falcon could have sat on that. Even if it mean that the Falcon was imported from the US, at least we would have access to a proper large car, and not some mid-sized FWD imitator posing as a large car.

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    Re: Falcon may not survive until 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8 View Post
    ...As far as building a Falcon off Mustang - been tried, apparently twice. Can't do it, with the ponycar proportions all wrong for a sedan and the future version isn't big enough. The writing was on the wall before 2008 - it's just been a long time happening. Now the market's got the sniff of blood in the water - I reckon they'll pull the pin on FH. S197 Mustang's chassis is too crude for a sedan for this market. Jaguar version, too small and expensive.
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