Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

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    Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Dart Misses November Sales Target; 200 Passes 200K
    Aaron Foley | WardsAuto
    Dec. 3, 2012

    Sales of the closely watched Dodge Dart slipped in November amid rising inventory levels and an added third shift at the Illinois plant where the compact is built.

    The Dart notched 4,489 deliveries for Chrysler, WardsAuto data shows. The highest sales month for the Dart was in October with 5,455 deliveries.

    The Chrysler 200 midsize sedan, the spotlight of the company’s heralded “Imported From Detroit” campaign, surpassed 200,000 deliveries last month since its unveiling last year. Sales of the 200 are up 49.6% so far this year from like-2011.

    The Chrysler brand sold 12,130 vehicles overall in November, up 3.0%.

    The Dodge Avenger midsize sedan also has been a consistent performer, with 7,132 deliveries in November and a 54.8% rise in 11-month sales year-over-year. Total Dodge-brand sales for the month stood at 20,387, up 25.2%.
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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    I think this one is pretty easy to figure out.

    The good: The 200 is an average looking car at best, but has a nicely redesigned interior, Great powerful engine for the class, and a very low price when all incentives are considered. What do many mainstream buyers want? A cheap, powerful car that is at least competitive on fuel consumption.

    The bad: The dart is a pretty good looking car, but its powertrain choices are decent for its class, but not too impressive when compared to cars that are oh-so-close in size to it. Also, when optioned up to how many people would buy them,they aren't a real bargain.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    There should be entire studies done about the success of the mildly freshened 200. The press pretty much despises it (or at least never recommends it), its reputation for quality is lacking, and it's basically just OK looking inside and out. EVEN THE BACK SEAT ISN'T ALL THAT ROOMY(!), base models still make do with a 4-speed auto, and it doesn't have pushbutton start. And yet, here we are with it emerging one of the best-selling passenger cars in North America. While I suppose fleet sales figure in significantly, sales are sales, and no doubt Chrysler is making tens of millions of dollars on this old platform now. This is the kind of thing GM used to be able to pull off with cars like the Grand Am, but not so much anymore. What is the secret? Take the money out of engineering and just slap that cash on the hood?

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    I think the Dart is a good looking car, but by the time you option it up it costs as much as or more than an Avenger (with cash on the hood).
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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Pricing is killing the Dart. I really wanted that car to be a success for Chrysler, its a damn fine car. But it runs into mid sized prices when not even fully optioned up.
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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    It just goes to show that there are still a lot of traditional buyers out there that see two similarly sized sedans, one all new with weak 4 cylinder engines and fat price tags and one that is a bit older but much improved with a potent V6 and lots of value for less coin. I know which of the two I would pick with my current salary and the weak economy figured in. I just looked at two such examples. The silver 2013 Avenger with V6, bluetooth, 18" alloys, Uconnect, Satellite radio etc is on sale for only $17995 or I can get a 2013 Dart with the weak sauce 2.0 liter L4, automatic and about the same equipment for 18995. I'm sure the dart feels more modern but the Avenger/200 are just a better value for the money and a pocket rocket to boot.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    The Dart's problem is the Avenger, which is small for a midsize, while the Dart is large for a compact. That and the Avenger is an aging, unloved car that sells on incentives not available on the new Dart.

    People interested in "more for your money" are going to buy an Avenger over a Dart at this point. So the Dart is going to struggle until the next non-bottom-feeding Avenger is out.

    As for the 200, I'm shocked it's doing so well and am nervous that it will only encourage the Chrysler brand to continue with lower-priced models where Dodge should play and not make a proper push upmarket where they belong.

    My guess is that the 200 has at least 50% fleet mix. Especially since the 200 convertible, like its Sebring and LeBaron forebears, has always been a fleet queen.
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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    I think the darts missing a little personality I want to like it but it should be less Americanized.

    The 200 is ridiculous but famous so it sells.

    I can't even begin to explain why the avenger still sells other than it must be heavily subsidized.


    I hope Sergio and his team can work the same magic on the dart that they did with the rest of their car lineup....

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    The press hates this POS, therefore why would anyone buy it?

    From personal experience, it's a lot of bang for the buck.

    For 24 grand sticker or about 19 OTD we had heated cloth seats, 17" Michelin MXV4s, 280 HP V6/6A, and if you check my fuelly it didn't do badly at all. I think it was just loosening up when we traded it at about 5300 miles.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    The press hates this POS, therefore why would anyone buy it?
    Maybe the 200 compared to heavy-weights "Camcordtima" is the little guy we love to cheer for?

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Well, I can add this, the 200 is a mechanical twin to the Avenger, and we have a 2011 Avenger wit the 3.6 and now about 40,000 miles....

    The back seat...I know the dimensions aren't that great, but it FEELS like you have more room back there than our old Malibu and the back seat is very comfortable. The car has a lot of power with pretty decent mileage...280+HP with a 6 speed auto and rated at 29mph highway (got close to 32 on a trip between NY and Florida last year.) Zero, let me say it again, ZERO problems of any kind..nothing mechanical, nothing with the paint, nothing at all. Finally, we got it out the door for just under $20,000 with incentives.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    The press hates this POS, therefore why would anyone buy it?

    From personal experience, it's a lot of bang for the buck.

    For 24 grand sticker or about 19 OTD we had heated cloth seats, 17" Michelin MXV4s, 280 HP V6/6A, and if you check my fuelly it didn't do badly at all. I think it was just loosening up when we traded it at about 5300 miles.
    WE traded the Jetta(lease) in for a 200. Wifes car. It has the 18" wheel/tire package. Touring package, cloth seats, 2.4L 4 engine. Low payments and my wife likes it. They do a good job with the LED lights through out the car. LED's in the interior make the car more upscale. For a Chrysler I expected more luxury, some things you would expect are not on the car. To me the seats need to be addressed!!!! Flat un supportive bucket seats. Weak.. The suspension when cruising on expressway and come into a curve with uneven(bad concrete- we have a lot in Michigan) road surface the front feels real weird to the point of being very unsafe. I think they need to address the poopie struts in the front. They are weak when cornering at speeds. Feels like a broken shock/spring. If they want to sell more 200's they need to improve the suspension. My 88 base Fiero with 186K handles better than the 200 and she has only 11K on it. Really bad suspension. The 18" make up for the weak suspension in cornering.
    Average mileage has been 21 - 22. Not what I call great. It does have good power for the size car.
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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Quote Originally Posted by 88Fiero View Post
    WE traded the Jetta(lease) in for a 200. Wifes car. It has the 18" wheel/tire package. Touring package, cloth seats, 2.4L 4 engine. Low payments and my wife likes it. They do a good job with the LED lights through out the car. LED's in the interior make the car more upscale.
    I had a 200 rental last month, and I would agree, the lighting looks very nice. All in all, the car seemed much more upscale in person than in photographs, very Audi-esque.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Price - price - price. The Avenger/200 go out at bargain basement pricing. I see them advertised all over the place new for peanuts. And they're adequate transportation. Then you throw the Dart in the showroom at mucher higher out the door pricing and this is what you get.

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    Re: Chrysler 200 passes 200K sales mark, as Dart misses sales target

    Quote Originally Posted by 88Fiero View Post
    WE traded the Jetta(lease) in for a 200. Wifes car. It has the 18" wheel/tire package. Touring package, cloth seats, 2.4L 4 engine. Low payments and my wife likes it. They do a good job with the LED lights through out the car. LED's in the interior make the car more upscale. For a Chrysler I expected more luxury, some things you would expect are not on the car. To me the seats need to be addressed!!!! Flat un supportive bucket seats. Weak.. The suspension when cruising on expressway and come into a curve with uneven(bad concrete- we have a lot in Michigan) road surface the front feels real weird to the point of being very unsafe. I think they need to address the poopie struts in the front. They are weak when cornering at speeds. Feels like a broken shock/spring. If they want to sell more 200's they need to improve the suspension. My 88 base Fiero with 186K handles better than the 200 and she has only 11K on it. Really bad suspension. The 18" make up for the weak suspension in cornering.
    Average mileage has been 21 - 22. Not what I call great. It does have good power for the size car.
    I can't address your handling issues, I never had any and always found the car stable at all speeds and in all conditions.

    Unfortunately 18" tires do not automatically make handling better. They and their wheels typically weigh more and thus add unsprung weight. Additionally, the 18s are usually GY LS2 which are not the world's finest tires.

    The V6 in real driving show about the same MPGs as the four, so you may get a bigger fuel tank but you won't get better mileage with the "World" engine.

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