Back in Black: Toyota Posts Surprise Third-Quarter Profit

[Olds88]

Originally Posted by stormwatcher

Is it right to dictate to people how they should spend their money on what is likely their second largest purchase (a vehicle) that they will ever make?

And when a domestic company is putting out mediocre product with its executives more interested in their golf game then the product they sell, are people obligated to support that company?

So you pick a different domestic company. Did you know that Ford, General Motors and Chrysler aren't the same company? Turns out they're competitors and offer completely unrelated products. Between the three of them you can find a reliable car in any segment you wish.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by 05ChevySilveradoSS

No whats funny is your delusional when you think thats ever gonna happen, thats whats funny haha! Say what you want man but i absolutly love hearing that "YOUR" car company uses zip ties for a recall defect (hey mabe it is temporary) But its still humerous as all get out. Do you really wanna talk about whats funny!?!?!

Besides why are we always at war these days? Well i can give you a hint, its called dictatorship and if you dont think some of these people (not saying they are) but youd be amazed of what some of these other countries would love to do to us. Dont ever think its not possible.

Hey no patriotism here just kindve want to live in america and buy american vehicles, or products. So you can take your comments elsewhere that are dealing with this ol boy

You act as if Toyota's real CEO is Osama Bin Laden and Camrys & Corollas are going to end the world in 2012 when they finally get a mind of their own and make us slaves while taking over the US.

[05ChevySilveradoSS]

Originally Posted by 84Cressida

You act as if Toyota's real CEO is Osama Bin Laden and Camrys & Corollas are going to end the world in 2012 when they finally get a mind of their own and make us slaves while taking over the US.

Who here says its the CEO?

My significance is look at our dependence on foreign oils, and electronics. . .Once they get us dependant then start to "rape" us like they are with this crude. I mean goodness man do you have any american in you, to atleast understand that to some people the automotive industry is the only thing that makes them feel worth anything or at home? I mean jesus man turn your back on your own countrys products? Thats insane.

I dont hate toyota or nissan, i just think that they should stay in there place like honda, and volkswagon. There not out to beat the americans or underseat them, they just put great products out and make there fair share, which honestly they all should be that way. Always remember: "To man money is the first issue, then once theyve got that they want power". And youll learn that one day. Believe me you will.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by 05ChevySilveradoSS

Who here says its the CEO?

My significance is look at our dependence on foreign oils, and electronics. . .Once they get us dependant then start to "rape" us like they are with this crude. I mean goodness man do you have any american in you, to atleast understand that to some people the automotive industry is the only thing that makes them feel worth anything or at home? I mean jesus man turn your back on your own countrys products? Thats insane.

I dont hate toyota or nissan, i just think that they should stay in there place like honda, and volkswagon. There not out to beat the americans or underseat them, they just put great products out and make there fair share, which honestly they all should be that way. Always remember: "To man money is the first issue, then once theyve got that they want power". And youll learn that one day. Believe me you will.

Um, the free market isn't a sharing is caring, happy dappy playground where everyone will be equal. If one car company can't compete against another, that is their fault and they should either exit the market or change their buisiness model. And it's not just the automotive industry. Airlines, department stores, supermarkets, and more all are the same.

And I don't get how Toyota or Nissan don't "just put out great products" and do their fair share. They compete on the same playing field as all the others.

[1G6]

Originally Posted by plane

Never mind electronics; Curtiss Mathis is dead and gone.
Have you spoken with any Americans formerly employed at currently shuttered textile mills?
Have you noticed how difficult it is to purchase shoes, socks or even just t-shirts that are made in the U.S.A.?
What about former steel workers? Ever had a chance to chat with them?
Or are you more collegiate in nature? Have you noticed that the current account and government spending deficits are unsustainable?

Is it wrong to treasure something made in your own country?
The silver dollars. The Craftsman tool set. The North Carolina furniture.
The Washington dried fruit. The GoodYear and Cooper tires.
The Estwing hammers. The Corning Glassware.
The General Motors vehicle.
Even the 3x5 index cards you can pick out at Staples.
Is it wrong to show pride for your country and care about the fate of your neighbors?

No. Any simple person can raise any objection under the sun. It takes a far greater person, a patriot, to actively care for his or her country and do the right thing, as much as possible, whether or not anyone else is watching or openly deriding that patriotism.

This should be required reading in the schools.

[jzchev28]

Originally Posted by 84Cressida

You act as if Toyota's real CEO is Osama Bin Laden and Camrys & Corollas are going to end the world in 2012 when they finally get a mind of their own and make us slaves while taking over the US.

and you act like they are not, just look at the toyotas out there trying to kill us all, they are trying to take us all out

[JBsZ06]

Not to be a wise@ss but your on a GM site...and of course the majority of members here are going to say...that the second largest purchase an american family makes should be an american brand..

Some may be stunned at this perspective...yet I suggest its more stunning to many members here at GMI that people who don't care to buy GM products would come to this site and spout off about how buying Japanese products are better..

Who goes to a toyota site and rambles on about NOT buying a toyota? Who would waste their time..?

Please follow your own choice...Its ok with GM fans that you do as you please.

Please just don't expect us to agree..

If we did...we'd probably go spend time at the toyota forum... LOL

Does this make any sense..?

People make personal choices..for personal reasons...No one expects everyone to agree...and its not necessary...but to go to a GM site and expect most of the members to be happy for toyotas sales increase...is a little over the top..

From my perspective..toyota has been for decades predatory in nature with its collaberation of the value of the yen to the dollar...with the Japanese government to support its exportation of products to the United states.. thus destroying our manufacturing base in the process..

Luckily in my opinion...the more complicated products such as automobiles there are battle grounds of superiority that GM products prevail...and thus we don't just give up the second largest purchase americans make to the japanese..

The chinese realize american product superiority and thats one of the reasons ....we succeed there...

The other reason is the chinese hate the japanese for their previous predatory nature...

america the beautiful!! LOL (kidding but you get my drift)

Buy what you like....and we'll do the same..

Just don't expect us to cheer toyota on.. coming to this site and expecting it ..is kind of strange...

Just the way I wouldn't go to a toyota site and spout off..

Would seem to be a waste of time and really more a chance to disrepect people long distance such as the internet...

Originally Posted by tgagneguam

Now, I understand it. If you buy $300 worth of Malaysian-made clothes each month and one LCD television every two years at $1,500, it's OK; it's not enough money to count. You're still a patriot. But if you buy one Kentucky-made Camry every six years, you're unpatriotic. It's got the Toyota emblem on the hood, and it's a big purchase.

One question: if you buy a $15,000 Aveo, are you patriotic or not? It's got the Chevy badge, but it's made in South Korea.

Second question: if you buy an Arlington-built, gas-guzzling Escalade, are you a patriot? Because it does consume a whole lot of oil imported from dictators and terrorists, so I'm not sure how-if ever-that enters the equation.

I'm going out on a limb and say that patriotic purists are going to say the Aveo's foreign, but some patriots will say it's OK because of the bowtie on the grill. The gas for the 'Slade is irrelevant; you're only spending two to three hundred dollars monthly to make it go, so it doesn't count.

Is that about right?

[05ChevySilveradoSS]

Originally Posted by 84Cressida

Um, the free market isn't a sharing is caring, happy dappy playground where everyone will be equal. If one car company can't compete against another, that is their fault and they should either exit the market or change their buisiness model. And it's not just the automotive industry. Airlines, department stores, supermarkets, and more all are the same.

And I don't get how Toyota or Nissan don't "just put out great products" and do their fair share. They compete on the same playing field as all the others.

You make everything sound so just uneasy and complicated, but anyways.

Oh and you still answerd my questions. Do you have any american pride to understand why most of the guys on here support these american comany? Do you have any american in you? Do you? Because im beginning to wonder. I mean really man.

[05ChevySilveradoSS]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Not to be a wise@ss but your on a GM site...and of course the majority of members here are going to say...that the second largest purchase an american family makes should be an american brand..

Some may be stunned at this perspective...yet I suggest its more stunning to many members here at GMI that people who don't care to buy GM products would come to this site and spout off about how buying Japanese products are better..

Who goes to a toyota site and rambles on about NOT buying a toyota? Who would waste their time..?

Please follow your own choice...Its ok with GM fans that you do as you please.

Please just don't expect us to agree..

If we did...we'd probably go spend time at the toyota forum... LOL

Does this make any sense..?

People make personal choices..for personal reasons...No one expects everyone to agree...and its not necessary...but to go to a GM site and expect most of the members to be happy for toyotas sales increase...is a little over the top..

From my perspective..toyota has been for decades predatory in nature with its collaberation of the value of the yen to the dollar...with the Japanese government to support its exportation of products to the United states.. thus destroying our manufacturing base in the process..

Luckily in my opinion...the more complicated products such as automobiles there are battle grounds of superiority that GM products prevail...and thus we don't just give up the second largest purchase americans make to the japanese..

The chinese realize american product superiority and thats one of the reasons ....we succeed there...

The other reason is the chinese hate the japanese for their previous predatory nature...

america the beautiful!! LOL (kidding but you get my drift)

Buy what you like....and we'll do the same..

Just don't expect us to cheer toyota on.. coming to this site and expecting it ..is kind of strange...

Just the way I wouldn't go to a toyota site and spout off..

Would seem to be a waste of time and really more a chance to disrepect people long distance such as the internet...

Note: Everything in bold.

This man doesnt have to say anything for the rest of the week if he doesnt want to, this post here is one of the best yet.

[jzchev28]

heck yeah jbsz06, im not sure why all the trolls show up here and expect us not to love GM but to root on their competitor, this is a GM fan site and yes the majority of us have strong anti-toyota feelings. i think its because they want to somehow justify their import purchases to us or to attemt to convert us with the rhetoric of lies about how buying toyotas is good for america. i have lost my job due to the economy...where is the allmighty toyota to offer me a job? anyhoo... suck it trolls, and suck it toyota.

[1G6]

Originally Posted by 84Cressida

And I don't get how Toyota or Nissan don't "just put out great products" and do their fair share. They compete on the same playing field as all the others.

Ridiculous. They have been aided tremendously by machinations of the respective treasuries of Japan and the United States as well as various U.S. state governments.

The GM "bailout" is just a down payment on a level playing field.

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by megeebee

"SUPRISE"?

Not to me. We as taxpayers gave Toyota that money. What was it? $4500 or something per car.

We should all be getting thank-you notes from the CEOs and stock holders of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Subaru.

I haven't received mine from GM.

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Sorry, uninformed post.

The money from the C4C program went to the dealers not the auto makers.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by jzchev28

sorry, uninformed poster

oh? so toyota didnt make any money selling those cars?

Hope you are aware that the buyers could have gone and buy any brand they wanted.

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

Says the owner of a toyota tundra..

Originally Posted by 1G6

Typical import owner.

This last two posters better realize that in AMERICA YOU CAN BUY ANY CAR YOU WANT.

Originally Posted by plane

The net job impact of Toyota in North America is negative.
What part of that do you not comprehend?

The last time we looked, over 50% of Toyota's production, full vehicles and parts content together, was imported.

Toyota causes a net loss of North American jobs.
Period.
End of story.
Cry, whine, obfuscate, call in PhishPhood and lie like a bandit all you want.
It's not going to change the truth.

The "truth" is that the loss of American jobs is the direct consequence of years and years of the American car companies of building and selling crap. The consumers eventually moved on to the imports that saw an opportunity and went right at it. Pure capitalistic business sense . . . exactly what America is based on . . . isn't it?

Now its Ford's and the New GM's job to convince these buyers back. But this is a mess of their own doing. You just can't blame Japan.

Originally Posted by Buick61

No, no one said that. I know you all at Toyota Nation want us here at GMI to be the FoxNews of car fans, but we're not.

Lame line. Sad part is that some people here wouldn't even consider that the insult it is . . .

Originally Posted by CTS-V-TWIN

Screw all the Japanese car companies! If a majority of the American public was a bit more patriotic, the Japanese car companies would never be able to exist.

I hope GM really kicks everyone's ass!

. . . witha llittle help of the government.

Originally Posted by wallus13

Do you know of any electronics that are made in America by American companies? You can't buy what doesn't exist.

I do use Apple computers in exclusivity. An American company with the best products in its fields . . . none of them made in America BTW. I use them not because they are American but because they are the best.

Originally Posted by tgagneguam

The Chinese are very unpatriotic and buy lots of Buicks. And I have not a single problem with that. In fact, I think more Chinese should be unpatriotic.

Actually they are very patriotic they buy alll the chinese cars they can. GM works in China through joint ventures with communist controlled local companies (talk about patriotism). Including Shanghai General Motors--a 50-50 partnership formed with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. producing Buick, Cadillac and Chevrolet models, Shanghai GM (Shenyang) Norsom Motors Co., a Shenyang-based company making Buick GL8 executive vans and SAIC-GM-Wuling manufactures a range of Wuling brand minitrucks and minivans as well as the Chevrolet Spark minicar, GM China only holds 34% on this last one.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by 1G6

Ridiculous. They have been aided tremendously by machinations of the respective treasuries of Japan and the United States as well as various U.S. state governments.

The GM "bailout" is just a down payment on a level playing field.

A "down payment" to level the playing field? Or a "down payment" because they ran out of cash to still operate? Hmm..I'm going with the latter.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by 05ChevySilveradoSS

You make everything sound so just uneasy and complicated, but anyways.

Oh and you still answerd my questions. Do you have any american pride to understand why most of the guys on here support these american comany? Do you have any american in you? Do you? Because im beginning to wonder. I mean really man.

I have no problem with anyone supporting GM. I don't hate GM. My family has a few. And yes, I do like America because I like being able to drive whatever I want in a free country, just like everyone else.

[plane]

Originally Posted by Simon says

The "truth" is that the loss of American jobs is the direct consequence of years and years of the American car companies of building and selling crap. The consumers eventually moved on to the imports that saw an opportunity and went right at it. Pure capitalistic business sense . . . exactly what America is based on . . . isn't it?

The situation is much more complex than you acknowledge.

For starters, let's throw in the yen devaluation by the bank of Japan, lack of coherent U.S. energy and industrial policy, a militant union accustomed to decades of unsustainable benefits and a government reliance on automakers to be the largest healthcare and pension providers in the U.S. Oh, and let's include lobbied media influence while we're at it. Couple that with numerous bad business decisions by the Big 3, and you have the situation we face today. And for fairness, let's also admit that the imports have produced their fair share of stinkers.

Which should probably have you jumping for joy on behalf of Ford.
The healthcare and pension onus is gone.
The union benefits are significantly pulled back.
The requirement to pay non-working employees is scaled way back.
The yen does not carry the advantage it once did.

The imports are increasing their share of sludged engines, faulty transmissions, and some would add runaway accelerators.
In contrast, the domestic automakers are making solid business decisions.
And building very competitive products.

Can't wait to see the new Ford and GM products.