Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota

quinnp12 · 07-14-2008, 09:40 AM

http://autos.aol.com/article/general...11132109990002

emh · 07-14-2008, 10:57 AM

This is quite an eye opener -- I didn't expect to see Chevy and Lotus(!) so high up the list.

It could be argued that what's really important is the weighted average (average fuel economy for each model times the sales of that model), which I think would make Chevy look worse. HOWEVER, this shows that Chevy does offer fuel efficient options... if people choose to buy the ones that aren't -- it's hard to fault the manufacturer.

dindak · 07-14-2008, 11:08 AM

Goes to show that perception is reality for Toyota.

GM can't catch a break, you know this news will not travel far.

**Ghrankenstein** · 07-14-2008, 11:26 AM

Quinn, please do not post just a link. Post an exerpt from the article as well, or very few people will even bother. And that's a shame, because it's a good find.

eurohazard · 07-14-2008, 12:01 PM

OK, I have yet to analyze the whole text.......but is anyone else troubled by the fact this article claims the Mini makes 12 different cars? Really?

At best, there's 8! but that's really pushing it. That's differentiating between:
-Mini hardtop
-Mini convertible
-Mini S hardtop
-Mini S convertible
-Mini Clubman
-Mini Clubman S
-Mini Cooper Works
-Mini Cooper Works Clubman

Where did the extra 4 cars come from? Mini is still #1, but if I found a screw up detail like that in minutes.....with a hour or so, I'll find more errors.

EDIT: I think I have figured it out. They also break it down by manual transmission, and AT.......and probably didn't count the John Cooper versions....that makes 12.

p.s. This is AWESOME news for Chevrolet!

Michael_S · 07-14-2008, 12:43 PM

How in the hell do they get 88 models for Chevrolet?
Monte Carlo is dead. Malibu Classic is dead (right?). Malibu Maxx is dead. Trailblazer extended length is dead.

Cobalt, Cobalt coupe, Aveo hatch, Aveo sedan, Malibu, Impala, Corvette, Corvette convertible, Uplander, Trailblazer, Equinox, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban... and all the configurations of the Colorado and Silverado. What am I missing?

Xeper · 07-14-2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael_S

How in the hell do they get 88 models for Chevrolet?
Monte Carlo is dead. Malibu Classic is dead (right?). Malibu Maxx is dead. Trailblazer extended length is dead.

Cobalt, Cobalt coupe, Aveo hatch, Aveo sedan, Malibu, Impala, Corvette, Corvette convertible, Uplander, Trailblazer, Equinox, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban... and all the configurations of the Colorado and Silverado. What am I missing?

If you think thats bad... apparently GMC has 69 vehicles! More than Toyota!

New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66 · 07-14-2008, 03:43 PM

Boy, in this age of higher gas prices, wouldn't it be nice if CNN or MSNBC.com would pick up this story and post it on their mainpage? Umm, to educate the public, you know.

igor · 07-14-2008, 03:52 PM

this is all nice and well, but this is NOT average FE - since it is not sales/weighted.... there have been data published that show similar information, but in a MUCH more respectable manner

Just averaging the EPA MPG rating over the models is useless - I can release six 1.1l I4 diesel hybrid Plug in version of all my models (manual/auto4/auto6 FWD/AWD) which no one buys, and I will ROCK that "survey" - because for say 6 regular "models" of each model, I Will have these 6 fake ones with some astonishing 60mpg rating.

Igor

BusyBody · 07-14-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael_S

How in the hell do they get 88 models for Chevrolet?
Monte Carlo is dead. Malibu Classic is dead (right?). Malibu Maxx is dead. Trailblazer extended length is dead.

Cobalt, Cobalt coupe, Aveo hatch, Aveo sedan, Malibu, Impala, Corvette, Corvette convertible, Uplander, Trailblazer, Equinox, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban... and all the configurations of the Colorado and Silverado. What am I missing?

Perhaps they are including trim levels?

eurohazard · 07-14-2008, 08:51 PM

It's not trim levels per se....It's engine choices, convertibles, 2wd vs. 4wd, manual vs. AT, hell I believe they are counting the 1/2 ton trucks by cab and bed configurations too to get 88! I didn't count Chevy's yet, but I did count Honda, and I got 27!

GMusa · 07-14-2008, 08:59 PM

Kinda cool.. maybe chevy should put this on tv!

USA1Fan · 07-15-2008, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igor

this is all nice and well, but this is NOT average FE - since it is not sales/weighted.... there have been data published that show similar information, but in a MUCH more respectable manner

Just averaging the EPA MPG rating over the models is useless - I can release six 1.1l I4 diesel hybrid Plug in version of all my models (manual/auto4/auto6 FWD/AWD) which no one buys, and I will ROCK that "survey" - because for say 6 regular "models" of each model, I Will have these 6 fake ones with some astonishing 60mpg rating.

Igor

Yes, but you would have those efficient options available to the customer then, right? Whether they choose to buy those or your more fuel thirsty vehicles is still the customers' decision. Toyota has several thirsty models too. Just because they don't sell as well as the competition doesn't mean Toyota is better for fuel economy, just that the public prefers the more fuel efficient Toyotas more..

Butz · 07-15-2008, 12:08 PM

blasphemy!
Toyota can't be that far down!
have they forgotten about the Prius?

07-14-2008, 09:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
quinnp12 2.0 Liter Supercharged ECOTEC Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Littleton, Colorado Posts: 131	Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota http://autos.aol.com/article/general...11132109990002

07-14-2008, 10:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
emh 3.9 Liter V6 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 895	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota This is quite an eye opener -- I didn't expect to see Chevy and Lotus(!) so high up the list. It could be argued that what's really important is the weighted average (average fuel economy for each model times the sales of that model), which I think would make Chevy look worse. HOWEVER, this shows that Chevy does offer fuel efficient options... if people choose to buy the ones that aren't -- it's hard to fault the manufacturer. __________________ "The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion" -- John Lawton

07-14-2008, 11:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
dindak 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto area Posts: 2,034	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota Goes to show that perception is reality for Toyota. GM can't catch a break, you know this news will not travel far.

07-14-2008, 11:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ghrankenstein GMI Staff Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Springfield, MO Drives: 2004 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 5-speed. Posts: 3,103	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota Quinn, please do not post just a link. Post an exerpt from the article as well, or very few people will even bother. And that's a shame, because it's a good find. __________________ NEW RIDE: 2008 Carp Poseidon (for fish-head delivery)

07-14-2008, 12:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
eurohazard 3.9 Liter V6 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Travis AFB, CA Posts: 835	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota OK, I have yet to analyze the whole text.......but is anyone else troubled by the fact this article claims the Mini makes 12 different cars? Really? At best, there's 8! but that's really pushing it. That's differentiating between: -Mini hardtop -Mini convertible -Mini S hardtop -Mini S convertible -Mini Clubman -Mini Clubman S -Mini Cooper Works -Mini Cooper Works Clubman Where did the extra 4 cars come from? Mini is still #1, but if I found a screw up detail like that in minutes.....with a hour or so, I'll find more errors. EDIT: I think I have figured it out. They also break it down by manual transmission, and AT.......and probably didn't count the John Cooper versions....that makes 12. p.s. This is AWESOME news for Chevrolet! __________________ - 1971 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, 110k miles - 2006 Nissan Armada 4x4, 27k miles - 1993 Toyota Camry I4 AT, 179k miles - 2007 Coachmen 19flb travel trailer - 2007 Regal 1900 boat: 225 hp FI V6 (GM 4.3) Last edited by eurohazard : 07-14-2008 at 12:16 PM.

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07-14-2008, 12:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Michael_S 6.0 Liter LS2 V8 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,604	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota How in the hell do they get 88 models for Chevrolet? Monte Carlo is dead. Malibu Classic is dead (right?). Malibu Maxx is dead. Trailblazer extended length is dead. Cobalt, Cobalt coupe, Aveo hatch, Aveo sedan, Malibu, Impala, Corvette, Corvette convertible, Uplander, Trailblazer, Equinox, Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban... and all the configurations of the Colorado and Silverado. What am I missing?

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New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA (formerly sunny New Mexico (y muchacho lo falto)) Drives: '02 Corvette Z06, 1972 C-10 Custom Deluxe Posts: 5,585	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota Boy, in this age of higher gas prices, wouldn't it be nice if CNN or MSNBC.com would pick up this story and post it on their mainpage? Umm, to educate the public, you know. __________________ 1979 Chevy Van 1978 Pontiac Firebird 1985 GMC S-15 Jimmy 1992 Pontiac Grand Am 1998 Oldmobile Intrigue 2002 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 1972 Chevrolet C-10 P/U 1979 Chevrolet K5 Blazer 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2001 Chevrolet Silverado LT 4x4 Ext Cab "Sometimes you gotta say, 'What the *******'. "What the ******* gives you freedom, freedom creates opportunity, ... opportunity - makes your future." - 'Risky Business' 1983

07-14-2008, 03:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
igor 6.0 Liter LS2 V8 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,128	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota this is all nice and well, but this is NOT average FE - since it is not sales/weighted.... there have been data published that show similar information, but in a MUCH more respectable manner Just averaging the EPA MPG rating over the models is useless - I can release six 1.1l I4 diesel hybrid Plug in version of all my models (manual/auto4/auto6 FWD/AWD) which no one buys, and I will ROCK that "survey" - because for say 6 regular "models" of each model, I Will have these 6 fake ones with some astonishing 60mpg rating. Igor __________________ www.autosavant.net Last edited by igor : 07-14-2008 at 03:55 PM.

07-14-2008, 08:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
eurohazard 3.9 Liter V6 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Travis AFB, CA Posts: 835	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota It's not trim levels per se....It's engine choices, convertibles, 2wd vs. 4wd, manual vs. AT, hell I believe they are counting the 1/2 ton trucks by cab and bed configurations too to get 88! I didn't count Chevy's yet, but I did count Honda, and I got 27! __________________ - 1971 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, 110k miles - 2006 Nissan Armada 4x4, 27k miles - 1993 Toyota Camry I4 AT, 179k miles - 2007 Coachmen 19flb travel trailer - 2007 Regal 1900 boat: 225 hp FI V6 (GM 4.3) Last edited by eurohazard : 07-14-2008 at 10:11 PM.

07-14-2008, 08:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
GMusa 5.3 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: U.S.A!!! Drives: 08' Lancer Evo MR Posts: 1,475	Re: Average Fuel Economy: Compare Chevy to Toyota Kinda cool.. maybe chevy should put this on tv! __________________ -JD

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