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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    This has one relationship with Camry I can think of. Same parent company, am I missing anything?
    For certain, it starts on a Computer Screen and ends up with all kinds of physical dimension relationships because of that. Plus all kinds of hidden bits and pieces - and on the last one, some not so hidden bits and pieces.

    Toyota is the Master of cheap sharing - everything. They went too far with it again, about a decade or two ago, depending on the discussion.

    Then, as soon as the Teflon Kimono got lifted and gave a flash ..... even some of the great unwashed started coming out of the Ether.

    Need to recognize as well that both the uh..... announced seemingly never ending cost cutting programs currently operating mean one thing alone and another thing altogether now that the completely Spun and covered up Toyota Parasite Function which is an easy third of their previous recent success..... got a good clipping with all the Asian / Japanese / Other Supplier Base 'clean up'.

    Because of that, not only do prospects dim some more for Toyota - they also get brighter for all other - notably in someways for Nissan / Honda / HK.

    Likely too late though for ..... many another ( Japanese ) .... unfortunately.

    So trust me, if they run true to form like always previous - you just need to figure out where they hid the SOP cheap plus the now needed 'extra helping' of 'cheap' - and how.

    We already have some superficial idea about part of it - but for now.... you will have to find that on your own.
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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    The LS and Camry both share an oversized grill penned in the same design studios, I believe that is what mbukukanyau is saying.

    I hate the grill, way to big. Profile looks nice, but not particularly distinctive which is why I like the looks of the CT6 better. People would be howling in protest if the Germans put out something that derivative. Take off that grill and the new LS could be an Infiniti or Genesis or the flagship of any Asian make. I'm sure it is finely crafted and superbly detailed, but I'm not enamored with its styling.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICA 123 View Post

    Genesis can now move forward globally, even quicker.
    Genesis is generic styling inside and out borrowed from all other luxury brands at a time when interest in full size luxury sedans is waning across the board. Not to mention Genesis cars probably share many more parts with their fellow Hyundais than this LS does (but you bash the LS for it, and it's likely false anyway).

    G90 is a brand new model priced a segment below the LS, yet did half the sales in December versus an 11 year old car.






    Have to see the exact nature of 'the relationship' between 'other Toyota' / Camry and this one - just like last time - so we can get the laugh Meter properly dialed in.
    The only relationship between this car and the Camry is some elements of the rear graphic design. But this was probably done to boost Camry more than anything.


    The lack of V8 ( so far ) is telling.

    ( As are the fully expected lack of Diesel / V12 gasser in yet another. )

    This is more of a place holder / Bunt to First outta' the Parts Bin than anyone wants to let on.



    Only real thing of possible interest ( mostly for other possible application ) is 'their' interpretation of a 10 Speed CAT.

    And it better be 'theirs'..... so we can laugh some more like with 'their' first A -AW 8speed CAT.

    Even almighty VAG...... had to essentially throw in the towel with that one - and do the big redo for the second.


    Late Add : And also in a different way, what the full story is on the 3.5 L V6.
    The S-class is probably the most overrated car on the market today. The LS interior kills it.






    This will be evident 10 years down the road when the current S-class is a rolling pile like every other before it, and the LS is still a solid luxury car selling at over twice the price on the used market.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICA 123 View Post
    Then, as soon as the Teflon Kimono got lifted and gave a flash ..... even some of the great unwashed started coming out of the Ether.
    Hilarious line!
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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    This car looks like a baby boomer trying to dress up like a millennial. Lexus better watch out for Hyundai, Genesis and Kia.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    5000 copies of a 100,000 vehicle is still HALF A BILLION DOLLARS

    Just saying.
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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Year Lexus LS U.S. Sales / Lexus LS Canadian Sales

    1990 42,806 /

    1991 - 2001 W. T. F. happened ?

    2002 26,261 / n/a

    2003 23,895 / n/a

    2004 32,272 / 309

    2005 26,043 / 229

    2006 19,546 / 269

    2007 35,226 / 588

    2008 20,255 / 311


    2009 11,334 / 256

    2010 12,275 / 226

    2011 9,568 / 156

    2012 8,345 / 150

    2013 10,727 / 216

    2014 8,559 / 167

    2015 7,165 / 123

    2016 5,514 / 95


    http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html


    So..... lets get some perspective.... ( Which reads much like WW2 in the Pacific - and yes, including with regard to Hawaii - kid you not. )


    From Lexus themselves ......

    " In a meeting with top management, strategists, and engineers in August 1983, Toyota Motor Corporation Chairman, Eiji Toyoda posed a
    question to the group, “Can we create a luxury car to challenge the very best?” Their response was Lexus, starting with the LS 400 flagship sedan.
    From 1984-1988, the code name “F1” was used to refer to the new luxury model being designed. “F” for flagship and “1” for a sedan of the highest order. The designation LS 400 was revealed in November 1988 and stands for Luxury Sedan with a 4.0-liter engine.

    In its first month available to the public 3,439 units were sold outselling the Mercedes-Benz 300, 400 & 500 Series, S-class, 190, combined and the BMW 5,6, & 7 Series and 300 Series combined. "


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    " On September 1, 1989, the Lexus LS 400 (and ES 250) sedan went on sale at 65-70 Lexus dealerships across the country. "

    ( Then the 'result' for MYR 1990 of 42,806 over approximately the 1 SEPT 1989 / 3 JAN 1991 ??? 'Pre Sale' activity was intense. That 42,806 may be for MYR 1990 regardless of when sold ie possibly some past the date given.)

    " In 1991, Lexus became the No. 1 luxury import in the U.S. for the first time, topping Mercedes Benz and BMW with over 70,000 units sold.

    Fifty-two percent of Lexus sales that year were LS 400 sedan. "
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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Is there no V8, only a V6? Why is it projected to be so much quicker than CT6?
    3.5L vs 3.0L with more (real world) power and torque, better transmission, no torque management? Did they talk about how much the new LS weighs? I didn't see a mention, I'll assume they mean it didn't drop weight.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by sydtron View Post
    3.5L vs 3.0L with more (real world) power and torque, better transmission, no torque management? Did they talk about how much the new LS weighs? I didn't see a mention, I'll assume they mean it didn't drop weight.
    I always see people complaining about torque management regarding GM. What does this mean, why is it a thing, and how do you recognize it?

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    A 200 lbs. pound reduction is mentioned.... a certain way.

    And it has the advantage of a 10 speed........ also with....... the implicit assumptions ( unless and until we know different ) - without the previous 8 speed's deficits.


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    With this group ...... you need to see real world everything .....before accepting numbers and or any passing any kind of judgement.

    Perhaps especially here with a V6..... Turbo...... in an LS.......... for the first time.

    Wonder how it goes on Cali's typical 'Gasoline'.
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    Toyota/Lexus have managed an unbelievably long run of horse**** design! This LS is a mishmash of design themes most of which don't really work together. To my eyes, the biggest sin of this particular car is it is an actual RWD platform that somehow manages to end up with ****ed up proportions anyways. In my obviously biased opinion Lincoln did better with two hands tied behind their backs on the CD4 Continental than Lexus managed with this.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by AMERICA 123 View Post
    " In 1991, Lexus became the No. 1 luxury import in the U.S. for the first time, topping Mercedes Benz and BMW with over 70,000 units sold.

    Fifty-two percent of Lexus sales that year were LS 400 sedan. "
    In 1991 the only cars Lexus sold were the SC400, LS400, and ES250. The SC400 entered the market in April 1991 and the ES250 was not a big seller.

    The 1990 model sold 42k units, and the 2007 model sold 35k units in its first year. Of course in 2007 Lexus' lineup was much larger than 3 cars.

    In 2017 the segment overall continues its decline.

    MB S-class sales:

    2002
    21,118

    2003
    22,940

    2004
    20,460

    2005
    16,036

    2006
    30,886

    2007
    26,081

    2008
    17,787

    2009
    11,199

    2010
    13,608

    2011
    12,258

    2012
    11,794

    2013
    13,303

    2014
    25,276

    2015
    21,934

    2016
    18,803

    Lexus has done very well with the LS, with sales falling towards the later end of the XF40's life (the car is going on 11 years old now). The XF40 relative to its competition was probably the least compelling LS in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    I always see people complaining about torque management regarding GM. What does this mean, why is it a thing, and how do you recognize it?
    Torque management should just be when the engine torque is limited under certain conditions (transitions like a launch or shift, low gears, low speeds) to reduce wear and tear (and outright breaking) parts in the driveline. Some motors will also pull back or do strange things that feel similar to torque management to meet emissions or improve life of the emissions equipment under certain circumstances. It is tough to recognize since you're basically looking or feeling for a reduction of power with respect to the engines known torque curve in certain circumstances - if you we recording what the ECU what doing with respect to throttle angle, ignition timing, etc., you could see it on a computer. If more knowledgeable people have a better explanation, please pipe in.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    I always see people complaining about torque management regarding GM. What does this mean, why is it a thing, and how do you recognize it?
    Somebody else can probably speak more intelligently about it, but GM via software controls the TQ output of their engines, in order to save wear and tear on their transmissions resulting in longer life. I believe Ford does it also with the 3.5TT EB, but not the smaller 2.7TT EB.

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    Re: 2018 Lexus LS brings new V6 biturbo to the world

    Much prefer this over the half baked CT6. Surprised at the lack of 8 cylinders. Expected of the GS but not here.

    #SideNote VERY shocked to see the lack of a panoramic/dual moonroof.
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