The all-new version of the Honda Civic Type R was always going to make a big slash when it was unveiled at the 2017 Geneva Motor Show, but the Honda has now proved it has just as much substance as it undoubtedly has style. That's because the all-new 2017 Honda Civic Type R has recently set a new front-wheel drive lap record at the legendary Nürburgring Nordschleife.
The Civic Type R has always been renowned for outstanding performance, but this model, which set the new record and was part of the all-new tenth-generation Civic's development program, really has set a new benchmark for the Type R and for its rivals. This development car set a time of 7 minutes, 43.8 seconds, which is almost seven seconds faster than the previous generation Civic Type R managed.
It has to be said though, the new record was set during the final phase of the model's testing regime, and it was achieved on a dry track with absolutely optimum ambient temperatures for delivering the very best tire and powertrain performance. It is possible this could be replicated in a production model, but only if all the other parameters were as ideal as they were on the day the record was set.
The article did say the time was with absolutely perfect conditions, might be a contributing factor to being so close to more advanced machinery. Though also does speak to light weight and the capabilities of the Type R (not that I like to say that).
The pre-production development Civic Type R that achieved the lap time was technically representative of production specification. A full floating roll cage was installed for safety reasons, but did not provide any additional rigidity to the body frame. The extra weight of the cage was compensated for by the removal of the Display Audio system and rear seats. The car was using street legal, track-focused tires.
http://hondanews.com/releases/2017-c...gring-lap-time
The pre-production development Civic Type R that achieved the lap time was technically representative of production specification. A full floating roll cage was installed for safety reasons, but did not provide any additional rigidity to the body frame. The extra weight of the cage was compensated for by the removal of the Display Audio system and rear seats. The car was using street legal, track-focused tires.
I'll let the cage slide, but not using the stock tires disqualifies it from being a stock run.
That is right. Just as that is a very Impressive lap for a Civic.
If it is Driver, every Manufacture would be rushing to hire this Driver, Tires, everyone would be running these tires, Moon Gravitational Pull, every Manufacture would be running laps at this same time.
The Ring has always been more about the level of commitment than it has been a true barometer of performance. Without a sanctioning body " Ring " records aren't truly records.
What people need to ask themselves is this, is the ring used as a marketing tool?
The answer to that question is yes, and just like anything else that is used in marketing it is gamed... people cheat.... people lie.
The ring is a good place to tune and validate the tune of performance cars for automaker, it isn't a good place for lets say a Mercedes S class to be setup for. Other then that without some body that will check the state of the cars before they run then we have no idea if these cars are stock or how stock they are. Because of this you have to throw out all of the runs not knowing which ones are cooked and which ones are not. This is where third party testing comes into play, even then because the ring is such a big track and because conditions there can change even then if you wanted to compare cars on a track it probably just isn't the best track to use. Remember the 5th Generation Z/28 Camaro where towards the end water started to fall and they couldn't even go full throttle on the straights anymore without going sideways?.
Smaller tracks should be used and tracks with more consistent conditions should be used to compare performance cars. This is why I like lightning lap in the US done by Car and Driver so much (though due to track changes you can't compare cars tested in more recent years with ones tested before). Though my one issue with Car and Driver's lightning lap based on who drives the skill level can vary (though I believe they will use one driver for all cars in a segment).
Agreed. Regarding Lightning Lap, I really like it as well for that reason, but also really like Road and Track's Best Driver's Car competition as well since it eliminates some of the issues you've mentioned about the LL since they use Randy Pobst to drive the vehicles.
That was actually a misidentified vehicle on the track. It was really my Mazda6 and me, doing some casual Sunday driving. I set a record? How cool is THAT??!!
A totaly stripped out empty bare bones horrible FWD Civic Crapbox can only make it to No66 has fastest ever FWD crapbox time LOL, is that supposed to mean something SSSsss.
Would rather own a nice RWD Viper No 10, RWD Corvette No16, RWD Camaro No34, RWD Stang No39 with a nice v8 engine that sounds absolutely awesome.
Honda has certainly returned to form. Although my previous experiences with Northstar cars mean I've lost even the remote desire for fwd, and an output starting with a 3.
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