2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

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    2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Comparing the Base V6 Engines of Two Popular Pickups

    Published: 05/20/2013 - by Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing

    Comparison Test
    2013 Ram 1500 Specs and Performance
    2013 Ford F-150 Specs and Performance

    Let's face it. The V6 truck motor has never been taken seriously, and for good reason. A few years back, the measly 215 horsepower put out by the Dodge Ram 1500's 3.7-liter example was the strongest of the big three V6 offerings. Any theoretical fuel economy benefits these engines offered was wasted as they struggled to keep their trucks moving.

    As recently as last year, the Ram's 3.7-liter V6, 4.7-liter V8 and 5.7-liter Hemi V8 shared identical EPA ratings. What, then, was the point of the V6 engine?

    It came down to economics mostly. The V6 models appealed to frugal fleet buyers who were more concerned with the bottom line than bottom-end torque. But now that fuel economy has become a higher priority, V6s are making a comeback.

    New Thinking
    Ford may have dropped its V6 in 2009, but it came right back with an all-new six-cylinder in 2011. It was largely overshadowed by the revolutionary 3.5-liter EcoBoost twin-turbo V6 and fan-favorite 5.0-liter V8, but the V6's impressive 302 horsepower and 278 pound-feet of torque made it a solid option.

    A modern six-speed automatic was standard, and rated fuel economy was 17 city/23 highway and 19 mpg combined. And for the first time the base V6 was available with the SuperCab (4x2, 4x4) or Super Crew (4x2).

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Not really surprised at the outcome here.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    I don't see the Silverado out performing the Ram. It could well beat the Ford, but with more ponies and an eight speed, the Ram will come out on top.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by andretti View Post
    I don't see the Silverado out performing the Ram. It could well beat the Ford, but with more ponies and an eight speed, the Ram will come out on top.
    Got to remember the TQ though. The 4.3 has a peak TQ of more than 36 lb/ft higher than the Ram at a lower RPM. Its going to be close though.

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    It really seems the 8 speed made most of the difference in the results. The Ram is the most polished truck, but also the newest. GM has its work cut out for it.
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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Got to remember the TQ though. The 4.3 has a peak TQ of more than 36 lb/ft higher than the Ram at a lower RPM. Its going to be close though.
    Torque is multiplied through gearing via sufficient horsepower. There is no substitute for horsepower and proper (8 speed) gearing. The new 5.3L should beat it even with the 6 speed transmission and aggressive power limiting nanny's
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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by andretti View Post
    Torque is multiplied through gearing via sufficient horsepower. There is no substitute for horsepower and proper (8 speed) gearing. The new 5.3L should beat it even with the 6 speed transmission and aggressive power limiting nanny's
    Errr, no. You can have all the HP in the world and have 1/4 of the amount of TQ and you really wont be moving anywhere.

    Sure, HP and TQ are dependent upon each other but in any engine where they arent balanced it shows no matter how many gears.

    I'll state it again, its going to be close because GM is down 20 HP but up 36 lb/ft.

    Here are the stats on both engines.

    GM 4.3 LV3
    HP: 285 @ 5300 RPMs
    TQ: 305 @ 3900 RPMs

    Ram 3.6
    HP: 305 @ 6400 RPMs
    TQ: 269 @ 4175 RPMs

    Dont forget about price either. Although Ram hasnt released the 2014 pricing, you have to pay almost $28,995 for the V6/A8 combo. The Silverado can be had at $24.585.
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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    When will Ford and GM follow Ram with coil springs? I believe it is just a matter of time....
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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Torque 4.3 will be the best base truck engine

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    With the higher torque the GM trucks will come out slightly on top.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Errr, no. You can have all the HP in the world and have 1/4 of the amount of TQ and you really wont be moving anywhere.

    Sure, HP and TQ are dependent upon each other but in any engine where they arent balanced it shows no matter how many gears.

    I'll state it again, its going to be close because GM is down 20 HP but up 36 lb/ft.

    Here are the stats on both engines.

    GM 4.3 LV3
    HP: 285 @ 5300 RPMs
    TQ: 305 @ 3900 RPMs

    Ram 3.6
    HP: 305 @ 6400 RPMs
    TQ: 269 @ 4175 RPMs

    Dont forget about price either. Although Ram hasnt released the 2014 pricing, you have to pay almost $28,995 for the V6/A8 combo. The Silverado can be had at $24.585.

    We would need final gear ratios to determine which has the better Tq at the wheels. Peak Tq at the crankshaft is meaningless without knowing gear ratios.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme View Post
    We would need final gear ratios to determine which has the better Tq at the wheels. Peak Tq at the crankshaft is meaningless without knowing gear ratios.
    Meaningless? Hardly.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    Meaningless? Hardly.
    You do know how gearing works, right?

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme View Post
    We would need final gear ratios to determine which has the better Tq at the wheels. Peak Tq at the crankshaft is meaningless without knowing gear ratios.
    I just did some simple math to compare the torque multiplication of the 4.3/A6 and 3.6/A8. I believe this is what andretti was referring.

    For example,

    3.6/A8
    1st gear = 4.71:1
    final drive = 3.55:1
    peak tq = 269

    tq multiplication = 4498


    4.3/A6
    1st gear = 4.03:1
    final drive = 3.23:1
    peak tq = 305

    tq multiplication = 3970

    As andretti was trying to point out, the Ram's lower transmission and rear gear ratios will produce greater multiplied torque. However, there are many other variables to factor in to accurately compare the performance of the trucks.

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    Re: 2013 Ram 1500 vs. Ford F-150 V6 Pickup Truck Comparison Test

    Dont forget you can get 3:42s in the V6 as well and the 3:55s in the Ram are optional as they come with 3:21 standard. Compare the 3:23 and the 3:21 and Im sure you get a much, much closer number.

    Gotta dig further than the surface on truck testing folks.

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