GM-Daewoo sales up 33%

[I-Love-Pontiac]

GM Daewoo October Sales Up 33% On Year At 82,493 Units




SEOUL -(Dow Jones)- GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co., a South Korean unit of General Motors Corp. (GM), Thursday said its October sales rose 33% on year, on strong overseas demand for its small cars and recreational vehicles.

GM Daewoo's total sales in October climbed to 82,493 vehicles, from 62,220 in October last year, mainly boosted by sales of its Matiz small car and Winstorm sport utility vehicle.

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[powervette]

congratulations GM DAT.
They even got rid of the ugly Rezzo already. Things are getting better
But what you see is not a dream garage, it needs new Camaro, Holden based Caprice and Lacetti/Spark replacements.

[nadepalma]

Very good news. I'm glad to see that GMDAT continues to grow and prosper. Shame their sales fell in their home South Korean market, but still very good to see exports are climbing.

If this is what they've got so far, I can't wait to see what happens once they FULLY replace their core lineup with all-new successors to the Matiz, Gentra, Nubira and Tosca.

[Kennyboy]

That's good news. I'm glad at least one division of General Motors is doing fine. IMO, with daewoo, GM is incapable of producing a small car.

[2012Aveo]

This is great news as I plan to purchase a GMDAT product in the future. I read somewhere that GMDAT may have some input in creating the future Buick Skylark. If that is true I hope GM makes that available in the States.

[mang01]

Originally Posted by powervette

a dream garage, it needs new Camaro, Holden based Caprice and Lacetti/Spark replacements.

What about some Corvettes too?

[powervette]

Originally Posted by mang01

What about some Corvettes too?

They have been available for two years now as a separate brand.
Here's one standing at the local dealership:
http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?i...braz082vr1.jpg

I am realistic and first of all I am saving for the new Camaro though.

[paul8488]

Excellent! Glad the new Lacetti is going to be here soon... it's fine and dandy to have a great 4x4 SUV and largeish sedan, but the big volume is in the Aveo / Lacetti sized cars.

[tomprice]

Originally Posted by powervette

They have been available for two years now as a separate brand.
Here's one standing at the local dealership:
http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?i...braz082vr1.jpg

I am realistic and first of all I am saving for the new Camaro though.

Yerr, sure have, and one prize idiot ie me bought one!

Good fun but dealership network is crud and so was anything associated with quality - I think one of the only hopes for the new Camaro is for it to have a diesel like the 335d from BMW and a brilliant brilliant dealer network.

Not to deviate further from the topic, but what else will get buyers in through the doors? the Chevrolet brand? no, they are all used to cheap better-than-average value products. the cadillac brand? don't make me laugh! so what will? good engine choices, brilliant marketing through dealers, TV, internet and magazines and a competent brilliant amazing dealer network who know how to deal with the thing.

From the 'dream garage' :

Matiz: Small city car by brand new standards, ie Agila and Splash, far behind competition to anyone who isn't even interested in cars; needs a replacement badly, but it does needs to kinda stay in the same niche; a cheap value car, but maybe with a little more pep and quality second, and it is only essentially second, time round..

Kalos is good looking, not the best but good value and an OK-ish car. Can stay I reckon for a while. But I think the next needs to be a substantial step up, not as big as the Corsa is, but somethign along the lines of the current Fiesta, ie fun, sensible, practical supermini which you couldn't fail to like. Maybe even an estate version, and follwing in the vein of Logan's success, what about a small pickup?

Lacetti, not the best, becoming one of the worst, needs to have an exact replacement though, not just a step-up which will result in a clash with Astra. I alsp think it would be best to keep the 'hatchback' form rather than revert to the typical Korean liftback version, though from the prototypes I may aswell abandon that notion as they are Korean and tacky and liftbacks...(given the trend, shoudl there be an attempt at a 'cc' version?)

Epica: it's new, but though I like it, I gather it's a bit......below standard, ie it isn't exactly racing where it should be, snapping up sales from the Magentis and Sonata and outgoing Mondeo. Maybe the next could jump this step and snap at the heels of the legendary Passat and Mondeo, and coupled with the new bloated, sorry, sleek, Vectra GM could storm the family car market and slice n dice the competition with two quick releases.

Captiva - brilliant brilliant SUV. Very nicely styled, not too korean/blandness but not too in-yer-face yank stuff either. Quite new, so possibly still the star of the range, AND you can have it with 5 or 7st, unlike the Antara. The only thing I can possibly think of would be making a slightly longer LWB (ermm??) version so that 7st versions are roomier.

Aveo I know nothing of though, but judging from some of the comments I've read, it has appalling safety standards and, I see no major market for a small saloon in Europe - the Fabia sedan never sold well, then got canned, there aren't any others, unless you got into deepest darkest Thalia land. A sedan like this needs to be like the Logan - cheap, attractive, good overall and fitting with the brand. Chevrolet - buy the Logan

HHR - Meh. I like it but I can't see it being a major success, maybe the reviews will get it noticed but tbh I don't hold much hope for it.

--Woah. Mazing how much you can type when it's midnight and you've nothing better to talk about. Apart from what Chevrolet should be.....

[powervette]

congats Tom, You just wrote an entire essay that is just a precise explication of my first sentence here . Camaro with a high-tech powerful diesel wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would never buy one (try to imagine Your Monaro or future Avenue with such an engine). If I were You, I would rather be concerned about lack of diesel in HHR...
'A sedan like this needs to be like the Logan - cheap, attractive'
Good that You added it was midnight when You wrote it.

'good engine choices, brilliant marketing through dealers, TV, internet and magazines and a competent brilliant amazing dealer network who know how to deal with the thing'

that's what I try to say everytime there is a Cadillac discussion, nothing to add.

As far as Korean Chevrolet network in Poland is concerned, it's the last thing to worry about here. The network is very diversified. Don't know how it is in UK though, the last time I was there I saw one tiny Daweoo dealership with the new Daewoo logo.

[Bravada]

Aveo is not good-looking by any means, and the facelift isn't helping much to say the least - unless you mean the sedan (which still could learn quite a few things from the Rio, Linea et al.), which as you've said, will not make a splash in Western Europe.

Killing the Fabia sedan will hurt Skoda big time - the sedan was a major contributor to Skoda's and Fabia's double crown in Poland (most popular brand and model). You just need a good small family sedan in Eastern Europe - although the arrival of the Linea might signify that the size standards have changed.

I don't know what's below standard about the Epica, besides the name (at least it isn't Optra). I am seeing more of those than the Sonatas and Magentheses , although both were sold for a longer time. Of course it's no Mondeo killer, but it's an instant Sonata killer if you'd ask me and a good reason to laugh at the Dodge Avenger.

Lacetti - I believe a "liftback" would be perfect to complement the Astra and take on the Octavia.

And we need HHR now, for Rezzo/Caliber money.

[tomprice]

Originally Posted by powervette

congats Tom, You just wrote an entire essay that is just a precise explication of my first sentence here

Yup I'm sure clever.

But then it was actually swearwording midnight and I was still doing swearwording work for the swearwording swearwording MoD.

Originally Posted by powervette

Camaro with a high-tech powerful diesel wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would never buy one (try to imagine Your Monaro or future Avenue with such an engine). If I were You, I would rather be concerned about lack of diesel in HHR...

It isn't a bad idea. But then a surprisingly obscure sportscar that has all potential to be maligned by the press needs a distinctive feature. I think it should have a diesel. And yes I'm seriously worried about the lack of a diesel in the HHR - that's why I think it will get hacked to bits by the mini-MPVs and then bash to death with it's own parts by the Roomster et al.

My Monaro? That's a flat out performance cruiser, the Camaro will be competing the 335 for sales.

Originally Posted by powervette

'A sedan like this needs to be like the Logan - cheap, attractive' Good that You added it was midnight when You wrote it.

Haha! I've said that before, but it seems many people don't see how nice it looks it's got the simple charm about it.

And I consider it very attractive as a package - and what potential.

Originally Posted by powervette

'good engine choices, brilliant marketing through dealers, TV, internet and magazines and a competent brilliant amazing dealer network who know how to deal with the thing'

that's what I try to say everytime there is a Cadillac discussion, nothing to add.

But this is a new car that has a bit of potential to sell fairly well, so they can't afford to do a 'Cadillac BLS' on it. Yet, if the stupid fools at GM decide to sell it through Cadillac, it will flop. There's no ifs or buts about that. But sell in through Chevy, and though they still do have quite a small network, it's big enough to sell some cars so GM sell the Camaro through there!

Originally Posted by Bravada

Aveo is not good-looking by any means, and the facelift isn't helping much to say the least - unless you mean the sedan (which still could learn quite a few things from the Rio, Linea et al.), which as you've said, will not make a splash in Western Europe.

Surprising. No way is the Aveo even starting to look reasonably attractive, but I've always liked the Kalos 5dr:



Maybe even if not good-looking, quite neat. The 'new' Kalos with the Audi front is horrible though, it just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Bravada

I don't know what's below standard about the Epica, besides the name (at least it isn't Optra). I am seeing more of those than the Sonatas and Magentheses , although both were sold for a longer time. Of course it's no Mondeo killer, but it's an instant Sonata killer if you'd ask me and a good reason to laugh at the Dodge Avenger.

It's not crap, but AE don't exactly think much of it. Nice exterior but a bit of a letdown.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...let_epica.html

Of course it's the petrol so I don't know what the diesel is like...but..

Originally Posted by Bravada

Lacetti - I believe a "liftback" would be perfect to complement the Astra and take on the Octavia.

I don't know about you, you have strange taste () but I much prefer this style of hatchback:



which is more 'integrated' and IMO much more stylish, than this:



which looks...well...a little too form-over function. I'm aware it's not the greatest example ever but hopefully you can see what I mean - hatches like the Lacetti and Focus are so much more stylish than Octavias and Accents.